Rising Sun warbirds - Page 11 - Aircraft of World War II

Nonskimmer · 09-11-2005, 11:57 AM

Hey d_bader, do me a favour. Put your one line comments in one post from now on. Use the edit function if necessary. I did it this time.

FLYBOYJ · 09-11-2005, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by d_bader

I think that we are all slightly biased and I think that we should be fairer with our opinions. The zero desrved its fame because it did cause a lot of trouble for allied forces and must have been quite good to get a reputation like that. If planes like the mustang and thunderbolt were used in the pacific then maybe a more realistic story of how good the zero was would of appeared.

You are right about the Zero causing trouble for allied forces as US obsession with it used up valuable manpower and resources, but what you're missing is the combat record shown what the Zero actually accomplished does not make it out to be that great of a fighter. Considered the worse US Naval fighter by many, the F4F had almost a 4 to 1 kill ratio against it, and even at Coral Sea where the Zero had just over a 1 to 1 kill ratio over the F4F, you would of thought the Zero would of performed a lot better for being this swift, mystical, super maneuverable fighter against a fighter that it was faster and more maneuvable than......

No bias here - just facts.......

Oh and for your information bader, the P-51 and P-47 were used in the Pacific. Find out who Neil Kearby was.....

the lancaster kicks ass · 09-11-2005, 12:27 PM

i think he knows they were used in the pacific and what he's trying to say is that the zero mush have been pretty good if they had to get great planes like the -51 and -47 in to counter them........

FLYBOYJ · 09-11-2005, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass

i think he knows they were used in the pacific and what he's trying to say is that the zero mush have been pretty good if they had to get great planes like the -51 and -47 in to counter them........

The -51 came in late in the war, the -47 was there in limited numbers starting in late 43' (I think). By then the Zero was being pretty well pounded......

I don't know Lanc, the F4F did pretty well against it - the F6F slaughtered it!

And as far as the USAAF - the P-38 also gave it (and other Japanese fighters) a good thrashing, not to say at any given time it was a cake walk for the USN or the USAAF.......

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 09-11-2005, 12:52 PM

I am sorry if you feel that way. Most people here have to come to the conclusion that your precious Zero is overated and a myth. And based off of facts it is. Hell the Great Turkey Shoot is a great example of the Zero getting destroyed by so called inferior allied planes. I think it is the other way around.

FLYBOYJ · 09-11-2005, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

I am sorry if you feel that way. Most people here have to come to the conclusion that your precious Zero is overated and a myth. And based off of facts it is. Hell the Great Turkey Shoot is a great example of the Zero getting destroyed by so called inferior allied planes. I think it is the other way around.

Yep!

the lancaster kicks ass · 09-11-2005, 01:09 PM

that wasn't my opinion i was just trying to expalin what i thought he was saying.........

FLYBOYJ · 09-11-2005, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass

that wasn't my opinion i was just trying to expalin what i thought he was saying.........

No worries Lanc

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 09-11-2005, 02:20 PM

My post was not meant for yours Lanc. It was meant in general to d_baders post about how we are biased. I think we have based out bias off of facts.

FLYBOYJ · 09-11-2005, 02:37 PM

Yep - especially some of the facts posted by Rich.....

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 09-11-2005, 02:39 PM

I just think that if the Jap planes were so superior then why dont the kills show that.

wmaxt · 09-11-2005, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by d_bader

I think that we are all slightly biased and I think that we should be fairer with our opinions. The zero desrved its fame because it did cause a lot of trouble for allied forces and must have been quite good to get a reputation like that. If planes like the mustang and thunderbolt were used in the pacific then maybe a more realistic story of how good the zero was would of appeared.

P-47s (522) out numbered P-38s (315) and 100 P-51s were also in service Jan '44.

By May '44 there were 502 P-38s, 1.42 P-47s and 200 P-51s.

By Jan '45 on there were up to 1,500 P-51s and P-47s and P-38s rose to 1,142.

From Jan '43 to Sep '44 there was a relitively constant 500 P-40s

The AAF only averaged 1,100 fighters against Japan in '43 and 2,100 in '44.

wmaxt

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 09-11-2005, 03:47 PM

And the Wildcats and Hellcats were doing just fine against the Zeros themselves.

FLYBOYJ · 09-11-2005, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

And the Wildcats and Hellcats were doing just fine against the Zeros themselves.

Yep!

carpenoctem1689 · 09-11-2005, 04:28 PM

A decent pilot, flying a zero, of the A6M5 series, or even the A6M2 could cope with the average american pilot in a wildcat or hellcat. it was the attrition, and numbers disadvantage that cursed the zero. Not to mention the P-38 and the F4U. Theyre speed and superb ruggedness made them almost invulnerable to the zeke.

09-11-2005, 12:27 PM	#153
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	i think he knows they were used in the pacific and what he's trying to say is that the zero mush have been pretty good if they had to get great planes like the -51 and -47 in to counter them........ __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

09-11-2005, 12:52 PM	#155
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 34,084	I am sorry if you feel that way. Most people here have to come to the conclusion that your precious Zero is overated and a myth. And based off of facts it is. Hell the Great Turkey Shoot is a great example of the Zero getting destroyed by so called inferior allied planes. I think it is the other way around. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"

09-11-2005, 01:09 PM	#157
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	that wasn't my opinion i was just trying to expalin what i thought he was saying......... __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

09-11-2005, 02:20 PM	#159
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 34,084	My post was not meant for yours Lanc. It was meant in general to d_baders post about how we are biased. I think we have based out bias off of facts. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"

09-11-2005, 02:37 PM	#160
FLYBOYJ IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 16,880	Yep - especially some of the facts posted by Rich..... __________________ > I Support Doug Gillis <

09-11-2005, 11:57 AM	#151
Nonskimmer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 8,871	Hey d_bader, do me a favour. Put your one line comments in one post from now on. Use the edit function if necessary. I did it this time.

09-11-2005, 02:39 PM	#161
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 34,084	I just think that if the Jap planes were so superior then why dont the kills show that. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"

09-11-2005, 03:47 PM	#163
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 34,084	And the Wildcats and Hellcats were doing just fine against the Zeros themselves. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"

09-11-2005, 04:28 PM	#165
carpenoctem1689 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 286	A decent pilot, flying a zero, of the A6M5 series, or even the A6M2 could cope with the average american pilot in a wildcat or hellcat. it was the attrition, and numbers disadvantage that cursed the zero. Not to mention the P-38 and the F4U. Theyre speed and superb ruggedness made them almost invulnerable to the zeke.

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