 | Rising Sun warbirds| Aviation Discuss Rising Sun warbirds in the World War II - Aviation forums; I have no background on the Pacific theatre,
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08-14-2005, 08:57 PM
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I have no background on the Pacific theatre,
| I know how that works :) only from the other side. I rarely comment aspects of the European war except where topics involve naval aviation. I doubt there are more than three or four books in my library that deal specifically with the war in Europe as opposed to about 240 on naval subjects of which about 140 are on naval aviation subjects. Then there's the three file cabinets full of reports and such from USN air operations in WWII. Europe in World War II is a land of mystery for me.
Rich
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08-15-2005, 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Well lets see the highest Japanese Army Ace was W/O Hiromichi Shinohara with 58 victories, and the highest Japanese Navy ace was Hiroyoshi Nishizawa with 87 kills. That is not quite a 100 my friend. | They are still huge numbers and many of their victories were not comfirmed because of the relative lack of interest of the Japanese in personal victories. People here are implying that the Zero didn't stand a chance in the face of modern opposition which just isn't he case
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08-15-2005, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Well lets see the highest Japanese Army Ace was W/O Hiromichi Shinohara with 58 victories, and the highest Japanese Navy ace was Hiroyoshi Nishizawa with 87 kills. That is not quite a 100 my friend. | They are still huge numbers and many of their victories were not comfirmed because of the relative lack of interest of the Japanese in personal victories. People here are implying that the Zero didn't stand a chance in the face of modern opposition which just isn't he case | No no one here said that. We are saying that the ZERO was not the far superior plane that everyone else likes to make it out to be. It was not, it was just a myth. The Zero was still a dangerous plane and no one denies that.
__________________  US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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08-15-2005, 07:24 AM
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08-30-2005, 05:20 PM
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#110 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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08-30-2005, 05:44 PM
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08-30-2005, 06:11 PM
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#112 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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08-30-2005, 07:05 PM
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| I read a book recently by Saburo Sakai (hope I spelled that right) and he describes his kills (64 of them) and most of them were P-39's and 40's. Maybe some of this "myth" was developed on Army aircraft and not Navy aircraft.
The F4F had the advantage of speed, firepower, dive, and the ability to absorb damage. the zero could climb faster and turn better. Thus the American F4F pilots could choose to have combat on their terms, a major advantage. | |
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08-31-2005, 07:04 AM
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08-31-2005, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by cheddar cheese How about the Ki-115? Whats the deal with that? | It was designed for Kamikaze missions - It had landing gear that could jettisoned......  http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero...akatsurugi.htm
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08-31-2005, 10:46 AM
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__________________ "I had ten rockets on board, and as I wasn't particularly fond of head-on attacks, I salvoed the whole lot at him. The rockets didn't hit him but but they must have scared the bejesus out of him, for he did a steep turn to starboard... I let him have the full blast, all eight fifty-calibers. I had never seen an aircraft completely disintegrate in the air the way this Me-110 did..."
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09-01-2005, 11:03 AM
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#117 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Yeah that would have sucked. Its pretty bad though when you have to waste materials in designing an aircraft for suicide missions.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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09-01-2005, 02:51 PM
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Bill Dunn, 406th Fighter Group
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09-01-2005, 03:03 PM
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Country: | They should have made a plane with a huge bomb/warhead that they would fly into bomber formations and then detonate it.
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09-01-2005, 03:42 PM
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Country: | The Japanese actually something similar, dropping large white phosphorus bombs into allied formations. Visually spectacular, but not very effective.
Rich
Edit, somehow managed to leave out the word "not". Sorry if anyone got a wrong impression.
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