Roll Back 1 year - Aircraft of World War II

comiso90 · 06-10-2009, 01:20 PM

1.
You can roll back the operational deployed date of any one aircraft by one year... it can appear in any theater.

For me it may be the Bearcat with the Sky Raider a close second.

2.
Which aircraft would you least like to see rolled back by a year?

I'll go for the obvious choice.. If the 262 had another year in the sky, it would cane made a difference on the bombing offensive. But the TA-152 was cheaper... a lot more of those would have been available.

Westland Wyvern would have been cool but even if it was rolled back a year... it wouldn't have had much time.
The P-51 H... would been handy!
F6F? woulda relieved a lot of pressure.

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Colin1 · 06-10-2009, 01:47 PM

Would like to see:
Hawker Sea Fury for the FAA

Martin-Baker MB.5 for the RAF

Would not like to see:
Even with the just-too-late crop of piston-engined fighters getting their shot, the Me262 would still be unassailable, coupled with

the Ta183, you've got Messerschmitt's master bomber-killer plying its trade whilst Focke-wulf's nimble, extremely fast, heavily-armed fighter ties up the Allied fighter escort with one arm behind its back.

Thorlifter · 06-10-2009, 01:52 PM

A couple good choices Comiso. For me

A year sooner - P-51 or P-47. Escorted bombing missions a year sooner in the ETO!!
Not a year sooner - Me-262. For the reasons Comiso said.

TheMustangRider · 06-10-2009, 01:54 PM

Rolling back the Merlin P-51 one year means that the P-51B/C would have appeared over Europe in late '42 early '43 and it would have reversed potentially the terrible losses suffered by the 8th Air Force throughout 1943 and saved the life of many Airmen.

comiso90 · 06-10-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMustangRider

Rolling back the Merlin P-51 one year means that the P-51B/C would have appeared over Europe in late '42 early '43 and it would have reversed potentially the terrible losses suffered by the 8th Air Force throughout 1943 and saved the life of many Airmen.

You are correct but lets not worry about ripple effects on previous models caused by rolling back deployments of more advanced versions...

The aircraft you choose are suddenly available...and would be concurrent with any previous models.

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Flyboy2 · 06-10-2009, 03:42 PM

How about rolling back the B-29 Superfortress so that it can do bomber raids over Europe in 1944. That would have had a huge impact on the bomber war over Europe.

comiso90 · 06-10-2009, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyboy2

How about rolling back the B-29 Superfortress so that it can do bomber raids over Europe in 1944. That would have had a huge impact on the bomber war over Europe.

I wonder even if they could have rolled it back, they may have chosen to use them all in the Pacific where the distances were greater.

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Glider · 06-10-2009, 04:52 PM

For the Italians

Would like to see:
Fiat G55 which would have made a big difference in the Med

Would not like to see
Spit IX

Flyboy2 · 06-10-2009, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by comiso90

I wonder even if they could have rolled it back, they may have chosen to use them all in the Pacific where the distances were greater.

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That is true, but if they had used them in Europe they would have made a big effect.

comiso90 · 06-10-2009, 05:22 PM

[QUOTE=Glider;512086]For the Italians

Would like to see:
Fiat G55 which would have made a big difference in the Med

Thats a good call... awesome plane

Marcel · 06-10-2009, 05:29 PM

Ah, for my country: Fokker T.IX and D.23. The D.23 would have been a match for the Messerschmits if available and even better when engined with merlins as Fokker proposed. The T.IX would have been much better than the lousy T.V. Having said that, it would not have changed the outcome of the war.

Airbone Bunny · 06-10-2009, 06:36 PM

For me, there are too many options available, so I will go for countries:

Right now those are the cases in my mind:

Poland.
Getting the PZL 50 Jaztrab available in 1939.
Even if the PZL50 was not the best in its category, my impression is that having a fast, well-armed, closed cockpit, retractable landing gear, monoplane would have made a difference. How the polish pilots managed to fight the Luftwaffe flying those pathetic PZL 11 and PZL 7, I still don't fully understand.

France:
Getting the Dewoitine 520 in full service by 1939-40
As far as I know, the DW 520 was better than the Bf 109 in most accounts, so having it fully available would have been a significant adavantage for the french,

Netherlands:
Getting the Fokker G1 fully operational by 1940
A heavy hitter, a full fleet of G1 could have made a slaughter of german bombers, but I agree that at the end it wouldn't have changed the final outcome

Italy:
Getting any of the last generation fighters (Fiat G55, Macchi 2005 and Reggiane 2005 available by 1942
I understand that any of those fighters were at the same level than anything the allies had, and probably they were better than most. Those planes had overcome the two critical problems of italian fighters: light firepower and insuficient speed/acceleration.

vikingBerserker · 06-10-2009, 09:25 PM

The Hellcat. I think that would have made a dramtic difference int he Pacific.

Glider · 06-11-2009, 04:15 AM

For the Japanese

Would like to see:
Ki84 which would have been all over the allied fighters

Would not like to see
Corsair

Timppa · 06-11-2009, 09:38 AM

Would like to see:

About 100 Brewsters in FAF 1 year earlier (ca. spring 1939).

Would not like to see:

No 109G in FAF until spring 1944.

06-10-2009, 01:20 PM	#1
comiso90 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: FL Posts: 3,294	Roll Back 1 year 1. You can roll back the operational deployed date of any one aircraft by one year... it can appear in any theater. For me it may be the Bearcat with the Sky Raider a close second. 2. Which aircraft would you least like to see rolled back by a year? I'll go for the obvious choice.. If the 262 had another year in the sky, it would cane made a difference on the bombing offensive. But the TA-152 was cheaper... a lot more of those would have been available. Westland Wyvern would have been cool but even if it was rolled back a year... it wouldn't have had much time. The P-51 H... would been handy! F6F? woulda relieved a lot of pressure. . . __________________ http://www.BOOKSonWAR.com/ . Last edited by comiso90; 06-10-2009 at 01:26 PM.

06-10-2009, 01:47 PM	#2
Colin1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,765	Would like to see: Hawker Sea Fury for the FAA Martin-Baker MB.5 for the RAF Would not like to see: Even with the just-too-late crop of piston-engined fighters getting their shot, the Me262 would still be unassailable, coupled with the Ta183, you've got Messerschmitt's master bomber-killer plying its trade whilst Focke-wulf's nimble, extremely fast, heavily-armed fighter ties up the Allied fighter escort with one arm behind its back. Last edited by Colin1; 06-10-2009 at 07:05 PM.

06-10-2009, 01:52 PM	#3
Thorlifter Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 4,346	A couple good choices Comiso. For me A year sooner - P-51 or P-47. Escorted bombing missions a year sooner in the ETO!! Not a year sooner - Me-262. For the reasons Comiso said. __________________

06-10-2009, 05:22 PM	#10
comiso90 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: FL Posts: 3,294	[QUOTE=Glider;512086]For the Italians Would like to see: Fiat G55 which would have made a big difference in the Med Thats a good call... awesome plane __________________ http://www.BOOKSonWAR.com/ .

06-10-2009, 05:29 PM	#11
Marcel Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Dordrecht Posts: 3,834	Ah, for my country: Fokker T.IX and D.23. The D.23 would have been a match for the Messerschmits if available and even better when engined with merlins as Fokker proposed. The T.IX would have been much better than the lousy T.V. Having said that, it would not have changed the outcome of the war. __________________ " The knack of flying lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

06-10-2009, 01:54 PM	#4
TheMustangRider Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: United States Posts: 82	Rolling back the Merlin P-51 one year means that the P-51B/C would have appeared over Europe in late '42 early '43 and it would have reversed potentially the terrible losses suffered by the 8th Air Force throughout 1943 and saved the life of many Airmen.

06-10-2009, 03:42 PM	#6
Flyboy2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 648	How about rolling back the B-29 Superfortress so that it can do bomber raids over Europe in 1944. That would have had a huge impact on the bomber war over Europe.

06-10-2009, 04:52 PM	#8
Glider Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,655	For the Italians Would like to see: Fiat G55 which would have made a big difference in the Med Would not like to see Spit IX

06-10-2009, 06:36 PM	#12
Airbone Bunny Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 24	For me, there are too many options available, so I will go for countries: Right now those are the cases in my mind: Poland. Getting the PZL 50 Jaztrab available in 1939. Even if the PZL50 was not the best in its category, my impression is that having a fast, well-armed, closed cockpit, retractable landing gear, monoplane would have made a difference. How the polish pilots managed to fight the Luftwaffe flying those pathetic PZL 11 and PZL 7, I still don't fully understand. France: Getting the Dewoitine 520 in full service by 1939-40 As far as I know, the DW 520 was better than the Bf 109 in most accounts, so having it fully available would have been a significant adavantage for the french, Netherlands: Getting the Fokker G1 fully operational by 1940 A heavy hitter, a full fleet of G1 could have made a slaughter of german bombers, but I agree that at the end it wouldn't have changed the final outcome Italy: Getting any of the last generation fighters (Fiat G55, Macchi 2005 and Reggiane 2005 available by 1942 I understand that any of those fighters were at the same level than anything the allies had, and probably they were better than most. Those planes had overcome the two critical problems of italian fighters: light firepower and insuficient speed/acceleration.

06-10-2009, 09:25 PM	#13
vikingBerserker Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 3,760	The Hellcat. I think that would have made a dramtic difference int he Pacific. __________________ "Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it" "Those who dwell in the past, condemn the future"

06-11-2009, 04:15 AM	#14
Glider Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,655	For the Japanese Would like to see: Ki84 which would have been all over the allied fighters Would not like to see Corsair

06-11-2009, 09:38 AM	#15
Timppa Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 94	Would like to see: About 100 Brewsters in FAF 1 year earlier (ca. spring 1939). Would not like to see: No 109G in FAF until spring 1944.

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