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Old 01-08-2009, 11:50 AM   #1
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Russian names in the flights (Zveno)

Hi all,

does someone know how were named the planes in a soviet flight (Zveno) compared to the classic RAF red/yellow/blue/green ?

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Old 01-08-2009, 12:22 PM   #2
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i don't know if you could restate that i might figure what you are talking about
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Old 01-09-2009, 05:55 AM   #3
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For the RAF, a squadron was done with Flights A, B,...etc
Each Flight ,or finger four for example, have a colour name assigned in the setting of the flight for a mission.
The first finger four was called Red with Red leader, Red2, Red 3 and Red4
The second one, Blue
The third, Yellow
The fourth Green ...etc.

What I would like to know is "did the SSV have the same kind of radio codes for the flight sections (called Zveno)? Red, yellow .... ?
How did they called between each other by the radio during their mission ?
By their numbers ?
Or again, how a leader of ZVeno call his wingman on the radio ?

Hope my question is clearer now ?

Thank you in advance for your help.

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Here is the basic structure of the Soviet Air Armies in WW2:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_army_(Soviet_Union)

With the structure similar to that of the army the lower levels of the fighter division are split into regiments (not sure on the number of aircraft). As for the names of the flights (~3-5 aircraft from what I've read) I couldn't find anything substantial (no doubt because I can't read Russian which most of the resources are in). I did read some brief references to Colours designating aircraft eg. White 7 but nothing about flights (AAR - Russian Front 3rd IAK VVS - SUBSIM Radio Room Forums.

No doubt someone who understands Russian will be a better help than I can.

And on a side note best to ignore "fly boy"...
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Thank you for the reply. I can read russian if you have some link, don't hesitate !
My only one lack of info is on the name they call themselves during a mission ? Colour code ? Names? ..etc

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For the RAF, a squadron was done with Flights A, B,...etc
Each Flight ,or finger four for example, have a colour name assigned in the setting of the flight for a mission.
The first finger four was called Red with Red leader, Red2, Red 3 and Red4
The second one, Blue
The third, Yellow
The fourth Green ...etc.

What I would like to know is "did the SSV have the same kind of radio codes for the flight sections (called Zveno)? Red, yellow .... ?
How did they called between each other by the radio during their mission ?
By their numbers ?
Or again, how a leader of ZVeno call his wingman on the radio ?

Hope my question is clearer now ?

Thank you in advance for your help.

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thanks i think so i might have to google
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Thank you for the reply. I can read russian if you have some link, don't hesitate !
My only one lack of info is on the name they call themselves during a mission ? Colour code ? Names? ..etc

Thank you again.
Right now that I have gone through the links here (think this is most of them):

http://www.rkka.ru/handbook/high/guvvs.htm
RELP. Правоведение. Высшие органы военного руководства СССР, 1923 - 1991 гг. /
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Организация военно-воздушных сил СССР перед войной
КУРСКАЯ БИТВА
1-я воздушная армия
Вооруженные силы России
ВОВ-60 -- 1-я воздушная армия
Приказы НКО за 1942 г., с грифом "Совершено секретно"
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No interesting infos in the link you gave, but thank you.
Someone may know this no ?
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Old 01-12-2009, 06:18 AM   #9
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I think I will try to ask on Russian Forums this datas.
If I succeed, I will give you the feedback on this.
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We had some Russian members, but haven't seen them lately. You could try and PM them.
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