 | Second opinions needed about some ww2 aircraft remarks..| Aviation Discuss Second opinions needed about some ww2 aircraft remarks.. in the World War II - Aviation forums; Originally Posted by wmaxt
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what about the JSFs we're supposed to get?? ... |
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06-20-2005, 03:31 PM
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#61 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass what about the JSFs we're supposed to get?? if you drop them will we still get ours?? | The current word is that the problems, mostly weight gain, have been corrected and the JSF F-35 is on target for production and delivery. I think delivery will allow operations to start in 2012 for the Marines and the following year for the Air Force and Navy. It wouldn't surprise me if the Brittish version matched the Marine as that version matches up with verticle take off etc. The first pre-production aircraft will fly next year.
This data is the most current per June 2005 Air Force Magazine. Also neither this year or next years budget for the F-35 will be touched.
Eventuly the F-35 will replace the Hornet.
wmaxt | I think the weight gain issue wasn't really an issue. I know people who designed the X-35 and they purposely thought of additional weight in the production version. As issue internal at Lockheed is, although smaller, if the F-35 will out perfoprm the F-22?!?
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06-20-2005, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass
I think the weight gain issue wasn't really an issue. I know people who designed the X-35 and they purposely thought of additional weight in the production version. As issue internal at Lockheed is, although smaller, if the F-35 will out perfoprm the F-22?!?
| According to this article it was real enough, especialy in the STOVL - Marine/British version, to have threatened the program. It was airframe weight that already exceeded the projected weight growth of the production version.
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06-20-2005, 03:55 PM
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#63 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | The JSF is the ulitimate in aircraft desing at the moment. And I agree the Carriers and JSF are a perfect match.
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06-20-2005, 04:15 PM
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#64 | | Master of Ewes
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Country:  | but because of the way they go into hover the JSF can't use it's VTOl abilities in flight like the harrier can.......
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06-20-2005, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass but because of the way they go into hover the JSF can't use it's VTOl abilities in flight like the harrier can....... | For maneuvering, quite true, it has a huge fan that gives it it VTOL capability, however its supposed to still be super maneuverable and does have the benefit of thrust vectoring in the "tail snake."
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06-20-2005, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass
I think the weight gain issue wasn't really an issue. I know people who designed the X-35 and they purposely thought of additional weight in the production version. As issue internal at Lockheed is, although smaller, if the F-35 will out perfoprm the F-22?!?
| According to this article it was real enough, especialy in the STOVL - Marine/British version, to have threatened the program. It was airframe weight that already exceeded the projected weight growth of the production version.
wmaxt | Hmmmm - interesting.
I know the systems engineers were given bounses for weight savings, many of them made lots of money! At the time however, the goal was to beat the Boeing team. 
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06-20-2005, 04:58 PM
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| As I understand it the latest threat to the J35 is that the USA will not give the UK access to some of the key software which would make us dependent on the USA for any upgrades and enhancements.
This is considered to be unacceptable as we often tweak aviation equipment from the USA. Sometimes we do it well (helicopters) and sometimes we don't (Phantom), but we do like to tinker. | |
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06-20-2005, 05:09 PM
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Country: | You're probbly quite correct, although the UK has an advantage as BAE Systems, the UK partner in the JSF is now the 3rd largest US defense contractor behind Boeing and Lockheed. Many people forgot about that when British Aerospace bought North Amaerican Marconi a few years ago.
I'm sure a lot of "politicing" will be going on!
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06-21-2005, 05:17 AM
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#69 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | The thrust vectoring is very impressive. What Russian Fighter was it that had it also?
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06-21-2005, 12:14 PM
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06-21-2005, 12:49 PM
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#71 | | Der Crewchief
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Aha yeah the Su-37 and the Su-47 have thrust vectoring.
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06-21-2005, 12:55 PM
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#72 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | ok sorry i missunderstood your question, the Yak-38 was the Russain "equvilant" of the harrier......
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06-21-2005, 01:32 PM
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06-21-2005, 05:33 PM
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#74 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | No the Yak-38 was also a VTOL aircraft along with the Yak-36.
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06-21-2005, 05:36 PM
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Country: | Nice shots - but the Yak-38 - HORNET FOOD! 
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