 | Second opinions needed about some ww2 aircraft remarks..| Aviation Discuss Second opinions needed about some ww2 aircraft remarks.. in the World War II - Aviation forums; I got to arguing about ww 2 fighter aircraft with someone on another site and I wanted to get some ... |
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06-16-2005, 04:52 PM
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| Second opinions needed about some ww2 aircraft remarks..
I got to arguing about ww 2 fighter aircraft with someone on another site and I wanted to get some opinions on this other fellows remarks..Could someone help me out..?
>>Many of Russia’s top air aces flew the P-39. At low altitude the P-39 could out turn the ME-109. However, above 17,000 the P-39 was mediocre due the fact its super charger was removed during production. This is why the P-39 was not successful in Britain. However, Chuck Yeager thought it was the best flying plane of the war. Russia's top air ace agreed with Yeager’s assessment of the P-39. The P-40 warhawk was another under-rated US fighter that gave the Germans fits in Africa. Like the P-39 the P-40 had excellent performance below 17,000 feet. Both these aircraft used Allison inline engines minus the supercharger.
The television show Wings voted the P-51 Mustang the best fighter of the last century. Some Mustangs even served in Vietnam.
Today at least a 100 are flying. Most of the surviving Mustangs are used as air racers.
The best handling planes of the war were probably the Spitfire and Zero. However, at speed over 300+mph the P-40 and P-39 could turn tighter than the Zero.
Best Fighters of WW2.
ME 262
Mustang
Corsair
Thunderbolt
Lightening
Hellcat
FW190
Spitfire
ME109
Zero | 
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06-16-2005, 05:16 PM
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#2 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | Okay well first of all the Russian would say anything they flew was the best aircraft to fly. The P-39 was crap, espeically at high alltitudes and without the supercharger. The P-40 was a good aircraft but was quickly outmatched by the middle of the war.
The P-51 is way overated. The later spitfires and Fw-190D were better. The P-47N was a much better aircraft then the P-51.
As for best fighters of WW2. The Me-262 had too many problems with it is engines. She was a great design and capable aircraft but needed engines! but otherwise I agree with the list.
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06-17-2005, 04:53 AM
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Country:  | Almost anything could out-turn a A6M Zero at over 300 mph. It only had it's remarkable turn rate at around 275 mph. After that it was stiff and unable to turn.
The P-40 and P-39 were both poor aircraft. The P-40 was extremely poor, the Luftwaffe over Africa enjoyed easy meat with them. In the hands of great pilots the P-40 performed well but not every pilot is great.
They'd have enjoyed the P-36 Mohawk much more over Africa.
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06-17-2005, 10:59 AM
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06-17-2005, 11:04 AM
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06-17-2005, 12:55 PM
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#6 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | and if the P-51 was the best fighter of the last century i'll, well, do something to horrific to write on here even!!
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06-17-2005, 02:04 PM
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Country: | Did an American write the report? If so its believable. If a Brit had wrote it he would have said the Spitfire.
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06-17-2005, 02:49 PM
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#8 | | Master of Ewes
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06-17-2005, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass no because neither are the best, the best would be a modern fighter...... | Like the F-15 
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06-17-2005, 02:56 PM
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06-17-2005, 02:59 PM
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06-17-2005, 03:12 PM
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06-17-2005, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by cheddar cheese Give me a Fokker DR.1 equipped with laser guided missiles and ill soon change that | I'd like to see that! 
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06-17-2005, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ The SU-27 doesn't have a 101-to-0 kill record | I think it's higher than that these days. Something I have to interject though my dad subscribes to "Air Force Magazine" In war games with the Indian Air Force with the SU-27s they won half or better in the last set of games. This has caused the Air Force to start examining the training, flight hours, radars etc of the airforce F-15, F-16 et al. to correct the posibility of the F-15 losing it's No. 1 status.
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06-17-2005, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by wmaxt Quote: |
Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ The SU-27 doesn't have a 101-to-0 kill record | I think it's higher than that these days. Something I have to interject though my dad subscribes to "Air Force Magazine" In war games with the Indian Air Force with the SU-27s they won half or better in the last set of games. This has caused the Air Force to start examining the training, flight hours, radars etc of the airforce F-15, F-16 et al. to correct the posibility of the F-15 losing it's No. 1 status.
wmaxt | Yep - we talked about that on another thread. I work at the US Air Force Academy and heard a few things (rumours) about this;
1. The Indian pilots were just better than the US guys sent over there.
2. The US guys were tired and some were at one point sick.
3. The Indians kept violating the "hardeck" (I don't believe that)
4. The US guys played "rope-a-dope."
5. The US guys just got their butts kicked!
I think that 1 and 5 were the case, but that's my own opinion!
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