 | Sorry Chuck, I bin there...| Aviation Discuss Sorry Chuck, I bin there... in the World War II - Aviation forums; I read this recently in a local magazine.
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01-10-2006, 05:50 PM
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| Sorry Chuck, I bin there...
I read this recently in a local magazine.
We all know of Chuck Yeager officially breaking the sound barrier in '46 in his Bell X-1.
However in a the magazine, it tells of a story where a German Me 262 pilot claims to have broken the sound barrier in early 1945. Even though it was in a dive with the rivets being pulled out he still did it.
Has anybody else ever heard of this??
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01-10-2006, 06:13 PM
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#2 | | He who does not skim
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Country:  | As a matter of fact, yes. It's been discussed here in the past. If you feel like sifting through pages of old threads, I'm sure you'll come across it eventually. 
BTW, Yeager's feat was in '47. | |
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01-11-2006, 03:40 AM
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#3 | | Der Crewchief
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01-11-2006, 01:25 PM
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| Ive read about the claim that the Me-262 got that fast but personally I doubt it. I do believe the pilot got into a transsonic range maybe upwards of Mach 0.8 or 0.9 but didnt break the sound barrier.
I put my money on George Welch being the first to break the sound barrier and then Chuck Yeager being the first to break it in level flight.
As an aside this is the same George Welch that was the pilot of one of the two P-40's to get airborne during the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.
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Originally Posted by DaveB.inVa Ive read about the claim that the Me-262 got that fast but personally I doubt it. I do believe the pilot got into a transsonic range maybe upwards of Mach 0.8 or 0.9 but didnt break the sound barrier.
I put my money on George Welch being the first to break the sound barrier and then Chuck Yeager being the first to break it in level flight.
As an aside this is the same George Welch that was the pilot of one of the two P-40's to get airborne during the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. | Yep - I was told by Tony LeVier that Welch hated Yeager and broke the sound barrier with the F-86 just to piss him off....
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01-11-2006, 03:42 PM
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| We do not have any reliable info how fast Mutke got during his dive. He raised his claim not until Prof. Messerschmidt died.
There is some evidence (including US test pilots notes) that a Me-262 can exceed Mach 1.0 in a dive but wther Mutke did or not remains unclear.
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#8 | | the old Sage
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Country: | why not? the spitfire could withstand the stresses of mach 1.3, of course she never made ti that far but that's what they recon.........
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01-12-2006, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass but that's what they recon......... | You Redneck! 
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01-12-2006, 10:12 AM
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#12 | | Master of Ewes
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01-12-2006, 11:21 AM
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#14 | | the old Sage
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01-12-2006, 02:31 PM
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| Thatīs interesting, Erich.
What informations are avaiable?Esspeccially from the ground crews.
Technically the Me-262 has a lim. Mach figure of 0.84 (crit Mach: 0.86), beyond this figure the plane will enter an uncontrollable flightregime up to Mach 1.06, when the controlls are regainable. Itīs all a question how long the airframe is exposed to the dragpeak at Mach 0.88-1.1, if the dive is steep and full powered, I could imagine that the plane can regain controlls before it will hit the ground. Anyway, the plane isnīt designed to do so, I would expect severe damages to the airframe.
The wing has a thin airfoil, comparable to the F-86 (even thinner than those of the Mig-15īs) but with less wingsweep. The fuselage looks as if it may sustain the shock effects but we donīt know.
I also read that in documents written in 1946 US pilots say that it is possible to regain controll once the speed of sound is exceeded (Me-262).
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