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The 1650-9 which came out in the P-51H, and retrofitted in post war P-51D's apparently were more reliable with the 150 octane. | |
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The report is included in this summary. 150 Grade Fuel | |
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| 9,300 lbs seems to be the fighter weight of the P-51B davparlr, not 9,080 lbs.
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| "This affected the P-38, 47, and 51 equally." c. P-51 (V-1650 Engines). The same type of lead fouling as described in a and b above happened in the case of the P-51 except that is was probably more serious than in either of the other two types.
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| Wow, been a long time since you posted here! Where have you been?
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P-51B Basic weight 7325 Pilot 200 (from P-51D data) Useable Oil 94 (from P-51D data) Cal. 50AMMO 378 (from P-51A data, four machine guns) Internal Fuel 1080 (from P-51D data) Gross weight 9077 P-51D Basic weight 7673 Pilot 200 Useable Oil 94 Cal. 50AMMO 564 (six machine guns) Internal Fuel 1080 Gross weight 9611 Basic weight is empty weight plus trapped fuel, machine guns, and pyrotechnics. A detailed breakdown of Empty Weight and Basic Weight of the P-51B is in the book, too. | |
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| According to wright field it is 9,300 lbs for the P-51B and 9,700 lbs for he P-51D.
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9205 with full fuel and ammo and pilot and oil - no fuse tank fuel P-51B-15 43-24777 May 15, 1944 @ Wright Pat P-51B-15 43-24777 May 20, 1944 @ Wright Pat 9680 w/265 Gallons Fuel (wing and 71 gal fuse) and ammo 9335 w/265 Gallons Fuel (wing and 71 gal fuse) - No Ammo Subtract ~460 pound for the 71 gallons in the 85 gallon tank expended before crossing German border and the approximate fighting weight for a fully loaded ammo and wing tank fuel configuration and subtract another 50 pounds for oil consumption P-51B in combat config over Brunswick to Augsburg = ~9150-9170 pounds after dropping external tanks | |
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| | #117 |
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| so need to think that luftwaffe interceptors can fly with only half fuel |
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| you couldnt get very far with only half a tank of fuel.....
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So to your points - the 51 cruises at about 235 -250 for best specific fuel consumption at 45 gph and ~ 46" Hg at 2500.. if unmolested, the P-51 "full wing tanks" of 184 gallons is LESS than 1/2 fuel for take off condition - so do the math? The 51 could drop tanks, engage for 10-15 minutes at 240gph over Berlin and still have enough to fly 600 miles back to England The Luftwaffe interceptors were probably at 2/3 fuel remaining and only had about 40minutes high speed cruise plus 10 minutes of combat left by the time their day started with a fight... and lucky to stay in the air another 100 miles. So, what point are you trying to make? That the Mustang weight for performance calculations in a dogfight should be Max TO weight for long range escort mission to a target 600 miles away? Or look at the weight as it was most likeley to engage? That is what Dave was saying (and I agree for what it is worth). | |
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| | #120 |
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| the point is that if in real engage the p-51 haven't full fuel also the luftwaffe fighter haven't full fuel, and AFAIK commonly interceptors take off already with no full fuel |
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