Is Spitfire really the BEST British fighter??? - Page 8 - Aircraft of World War II

cheddar cheese · 03-12-2005, 04:22 PM

How can you say the Spit was over rated? I used to think the same but then again I used to think Santa Claus was real. The XIV is very widely regarded as the best dogfighter of the war. You do realise that it was just about Britains ONLY fighter, which doesnt give the Gerries a lot of choice in what to shoot down, does it?

mosquitoman · 03-12-2005, 04:27 PM

There was the Tiffie and the Tempest aswell but Britain could have held on probably indefinitley in the West. The Germans just wouldn't have been able to cross the Channel

cheddar cheese · 03-12-2005, 04:32 PM

YEah. and what do you mean we wouldnt have won without the USA? Sure, they helped, a lot, but when we won the Battle of Britain, it was just us. The USA werent even in the war at that time. The odds in the Battle of Britian were against us, but we still came through. We probably would have won with the USA, it just would have taken a whole lot longer.

mosquitoman · 03-12-2005, 04:39 PM

Exactly, remember it wasn't just little old Britain. It was Britian, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and then the escapeees from Poland, France, Holland, Belgium and Norway.

Udet · 03-12-2005, 04:39 PM

Guys:

Keep the heat down if possible!

While Dalton does not require my help or aid at all, I´d like to assume you understood he did not mean AT ALL the Spitfire was a "piece of ****"; he never even mentioned such words, it was rather you guys getting sensitive here who said such phrase.

He simply said it has been overrated, and to some extent I would agree with him.

Attempting to prevent over sensitive reactions here, i will repeat what i have said several times before: in fact the Spitfire is one of the greatest fighters of the conflict, but you can not have it all, and it certainly did not left the German fighters far behind it at all.

Dalton also makes a good point when saying it was the P-47 mainly who bore the brunt of the fighter job over Europe in 1944, and not the Spitfire or the P-51.

cheddar cheese · 03-12-2005, 04:43 PM

I agree that it was not the best fighter, but he was exaggerating his points.

Quote:

you've brought a knife to a gun fight, just like the Spitfire.

See? The pilots of the Spitfire would have a little more confidence than that. A phrase like that would be more appropriate if you was flying a Gloster Gladiator up against a flight of 190D's.

KraziKanuK · 03-12-2005, 04:47 PM

Dalton, you are a troll.

Guys, just ignore, for the troll is not worth the effort to debunk his rediculously absurb statements.

cheddar cheese · 03-12-2005, 04:56 PM

DJ_Dalton · 03-12-2005, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cheddar cheese

How can you say the Spit was over rated? I used to think the same but then again I used to think Santa Claus was real. The XIV is very widely regarded as the best dogfighter of the war. You do realise that it was just about Britains ONLY fighter, which doesnt give the Gerries a lot of choice in what to shoot down, does it?

I don't know anyone that regards the Spit XIV as the best plane of the war. It had a counter rotating engine to the Merlins (Griffin engine you know) and the Spit pilots didn't even consider it a spitfire. It was almost an entirely new plane. It did not have much of a performance edge over the most up motored IX and it retained the anemic roll rate and added accentuation of control surface compression at high speed that left the plane close to out of control. It was fast, but so were the contemporary German planes. If it had an edge it was real high, but it couldn't stay up there long.

Maestro · 03-13-2005, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ_Dalton

Spitfires would have lost the war people. Why do you cling to the illusion that they were an exceptional plane? The Battle of Britian? They were mauled there, pickin on Heinkels and Junkers and 110's when they could. They were outmatched vs the 109's.

The Spit had .303's its entire existance and 2 20mm Hispanos in later variations. That gun just didn't compare with the German cannon and thats why Spitfires fell out of the air in the numbers they did.

The Spitfire was energied up for the IX but it lost its maneuverability. It was carburated its entire existance and just could not match the German planes in hard G maneuvers. It lost its power people not to mention its unresponsiveness in the roll or at high speed. What don't you understand. For every fiction you create or misrepresentation you cling to. I'll point to another Experten that slaughtered Spitfires. The question with this Experten is which plane did he kill them in later and I think its the FW190, but that plane was more suited to bomber attacks.

Heres one. Killed per usual in an attack upon bombers by P-47's. This is the way the war went. Not the way of the Spitfire...lol

By the way the Spitfires got creamed in the wars after WWII also.

http://www.luftwaffe.cz/mayer.html[/b]

Okay s*cker, you're number is out ! You pissed me off !

When we give you comparisons of Spitfires VS FW-190 or Spitfire VS Bf-109, you say that's propagenda. (Now, see the section of your post I put in bold.) Where do you take you're freaking data ? In the Hitler's Youth manual ? Is it what you consider as non-propagenda datas ?

When I gave you its kill ratio, the Galland thing and the Spitfire/Hurricane thing, you do as if I never said anything. Who the f*ck are you ? A Nazi pigeon ?

Now for the armament thing. From about the Mk. V on, Spitfires could be equipped of 8 x .303 OR 4 x 20mm OR 2 x 20mm + 4 x .303. From the Mk. VIII/IX on, they could also be armed with 2 x 20mm + 2 x .50.

Now I'll agree with KrazyKanuK and invite everyone to ignore you.

At best, you're a Neo-Nazi German trying to restore his own contry's pride by pissing on the Spitfire and Great-Britain. At worst, you're a freaking redneck hidding in his house of a lost town in Saskatchewan, with a Nazi flag on his bedroom wall, the book "Meine Kampf" on the table next to his bed, a picture of Hitler right besite it and an illegal machine gun hidden under his bed.

You deserve a great kick in your fat ass, punk.

Chiron · 03-13-2005, 04:57 AM

Man, its getting out of control....................

the lancaster kicks ass · 03-13-2005, 06:55 AM

damned funny though, i aint laughed at someone trying to make a serious post like this in a long time

Nonskimmer · 03-13-2005, 08:31 AM

Remind me not to piss off Maestro!

mosquitoman · 03-13-2005, 08:46 AM

I believe a saying during WWII was the Mustang can't do what the Spitfire does, but it does it over Berlin

03-13-2005, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cheddar cheese

YEah. and what do you mean we wouldnt have won without the USA? Sure, they helped, a lot, but when we won the Battle of Britain, it was just us. The USA werent even in the war at that time. The odds in the Battle of Britian were against us, but we still came through. We probably would have won with the USA, it just would have taken a whole lot longer.

You are kidding arn't you? Even during this time the USA was supplying Britain. Without US supplies Britain would have starved, her war industries would have ground to a halt, and Germany would have been able to eventually manage to force British capitulation. The same is true for the Soviet Union, though by then the USA was "in the war".

=S=

Lunatic

03-12-2005, 04:27 PM	#107
mosquitoman Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Saffron Walden/Sheffield Posts: 2,991	There was the Tiffie and the Tempest aswell but Britain could have held on probably indefinitley in the West. The Germans just wouldn't have been able to cross the Channel __________________ When you realise that the light at the end of the tunnel is actually an oncoming train, you know it's time to run for your life

03-12-2005, 04:39 PM	#109
mosquitoman Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Saffron Walden/Sheffield Posts: 2,991	Exactly, remember it wasn't just little old Britain. It was Britian, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and then the escapeees from Poland, France, Holland, Belgium and Norway. __________________ When you realise that the light at the end of the tunnel is actually an oncoming train, you know it's time to run for your life

03-13-2005, 06:55 AM	#117
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	damned funny though, i aint laughed at someone trying to make a serious post like this in a long time __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

03-13-2005, 08:46 AM	#119
mosquitoman Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Saffron Walden/Sheffield Posts: 2,991	I believe a saying during WWII was the Mustang can't do what the Spitfire does, but it does it over Berlin __________________ When you realise that the light at the end of the tunnel is actually an oncoming train, you know it's time to run for your life

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03-12-2005, 04:22 PM	#106
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	How can you say the Spit was over rated? I used to think the same but then again I used to think Santa Claus was real. The XIV is very widely regarded as the best dogfighter of the war. You do realise that it was just about Britains ONLY fighter, which doesnt give the Gerries a lot of choice in what to shoot down, does it?

03-12-2005, 04:32 PM	#108
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	YEah. and what do you mean we wouldnt have won without the USA? Sure, they helped, a lot, but when we won the Battle of Britain, it was just us. The USA werent even in the war at that time. The odds in the Battle of Britian were against us, but we still came through. We probably would have won with the USA, it just would have taken a whole lot longer.

03-12-2005, 04:39 PM	#110
Udet Banned Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,258	Guys: Keep the heat down if possible! While Dalton does not require my help or aid at all, I´d like to assume you understood he did not mean AT ALL the Spitfire was a "piece of ****"; he never even mentioned such words, it was rather you guys getting sensitive here who said such phrase. He simply said it has been overrated, and to some extent I would agree with him. Attempting to prevent over sensitive reactions here, i will repeat what i have said several times before: in fact the Spitfire is one of the greatest fighters of the conflict, but you can not have it all, and it certainly did not left the German fighters far behind it at all. Dalton also makes a good point when saying it was the P-47 mainly who bore the brunt of the fighter job over Europe in 1944, and not the Spitfire or the P-51.

03-12-2005, 04:47 PM	#112
KraziKanuK Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 795	Dalton, you are a troll. Guys, just ignore, for the troll is not worth the effort to debunk his rediculously absurb statements.

03-12-2005, 04:56 PM	#113
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	!

03-13-2005, 04:57 AM	#116
Chiron Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 104	Man, its getting out of control....................

03-13-2005, 08:31 AM	#118
Nonskimmer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 8,871	Remind me not to piss off Maestro!