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08-25-2005, 02:53 PM
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08-25-2005, 02:54 PM
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#32 | | Master of Ewes
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Originally Posted by CC You need to read JJ's post to get the whole picture | i did read the whole post, but i still find that insulting, not beacause he's saying i cill civilians, but because it's un-called for and i do find it insulting that he'd do that to make a point he's making anyway.............
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08-25-2005, 03:04 PM
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I know - my comment was directed at Flyboy.
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08-25-2005, 03:09 PM
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#34 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by plan_D I don't know why but JJs comments directed at calling the bomber offensive a war crime and, basically, calling the Western Allied leaders war criminals made me picture him wearing a striped shirt, a beret and sitting in Starbucks at 10am reading poetry. | And wearing A Che Guerra Shirt!
Agreed Guys!
I got relatives who participated in the Pacific bombing campagin, does that make them war criminals?!? I got your your war criminals right here! 
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08-27-2005, 01:23 AM
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| JJ, in the thousands of years of the History of Mankind, he has historically fought over ' Land, Race, and Religon'....in pretty much that order too...
Hitler and his cohorts were genocidal maniacs who thought their race was a 'superior' one, and it's ancient religon was good for a revival...They invaded and stole land and peoples whole, plundering, raping, murdering and enslaving all before them....for their personal agrandisement, under the guise of ''what's best for Germany''...Japan and Italy joined them....Worldwide, we now had an Axis of Evil, intent on world domination.
Those countries that fell before them weren't prepared, and until they got to the Channel, they had a pretty unobstructed run....
When fighting that kind of Enemy, those of the British Empire grit their teeth and give back in kind...as do our Allies. This clown Hitler brought it to us, he attacked and bombed us, aiming for our cities, he also had a nuclear development program [ we nipped that in the bud ], and he fired off 30,000-odd V-weapons at us.....we also had obligations to help protect those countries that had became Occupied.....
Wake-up and smell the coffee, bud....No matter what it cost, whether it went as planned or not, the '' Strategic Bombing'' program worked a treat...Here we are, 60 odd years down the track, all is patched-up, the two nukes that finished WWII have been a viable deterrent to any other meglamanics that may want an 'action-replay', as long as we keep the A-bombs in safe hands, and the 'Big-Plus-for-All-of-Us' is all the Technology generated in the War, and since, allows us a much better Way of Life today....
If you're so cut-up about 'Bombing Civilians', perhaps you could put some energy into coming-up with a way of deterring these disaffected wankers who strap explosives to themselves and bomb innocent civilians...Now THAT is immoral and gutless....
For those that fought and flew in the defence of their country, be they Allied or Axis, they fought a good fight, were honourable and brave men that played-by-the-rules, such as they were.....their Greatest Enemy above all, was 'Gravity'...
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08-27-2005, 02:54 AM
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#36 | | Master of Ewes
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08-28-2005, 11:50 PM
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#37 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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08-29-2005, 06:39 PM
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#38 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | How could you call strategic bombing in Europe a failure. At its' hieght over 1.5 million Germans were employed in air defence. It eventually forced Germany to shift from bomber production to fighters, saving lives in Britain and Russia.
The Luftwaffe was forced to bring many of its' best fighter pilots home to defend the Reich, as a result Germany was chronically short of fighters in other theaters. Many of those pilots and thousands of aircraft were destroyed in the air war over Europe, weakening the Luftwaffe to the point where an invasion of Western Europe was possible.
Doesn't sound like a failure to me and 300,000 Allied airmen did not die in vain! | |
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08-29-2005, 08:10 PM
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#39 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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08-29-2005, 08:29 PM
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#40 | | He who does not skim
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ Well said Dac and welcome! | Yeah, what he said. And welcome to the madhouse. | |
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08-29-2005, 11:17 PM
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08-30-2005, 10:31 AM
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Ah, I'm just kiddin' - welcome!
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08-30-2005, 10:59 AM
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08-30-2005, 11:04 AM
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#44 | | He who does not skim
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Originally Posted by plan_D Oh god, not another canuck! | We're spreading. 
Lets see, that makes a Nova Scotian, two guys from Québec, a guy from Ontario, an Albertan, and now a guy from BC. All we need now is someone from the territories and we're covered.
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08-30-2005, 01:47 PM
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