SturmFw's - Page 5 - Aircraft of World War II

lesofprimus · 11-05-2005, 10:52 AM

Great stuff..

CharlesBronson · 11-08-2005, 09:34 PM

Snif...snif...I get melancolic for the large amount of info, Thank so much Erich, I stole it and became the translation to the spanish. :P

Off course giving the source:

Erich · 11-09-2005, 01:11 PM

CB if you are using "all" of this thread for a web-site I would appreciate the url. also I have just been sent some stimulating reports covering the 27 Septmeber 44 route of the 445th bg. I would advise CB you delete the materials covering the raid as I need to rewrite them and there are errors within the old operational text that I wrote

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CharlesBronson · 11-09-2005, 01:30 PM

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CB if you are using "all" of this thread for a web-site I would appreciate the url. also I have just been sent some stimulating reports covering the 27 Septmeber 44 route of the 445th bg. I would advise CB you delete the materials covering the raid as I need to rewrite them and there are errors within the old operational text that I wrote

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No problem, I still dont post nothing yet.

Erich · 11-09-2005, 01:33 PM

Walter Loos, blue 14, Stab./JG 300. most of his victories in JG 300 cannot be confirmed ! wingman to another guy who put in for bogus claims, Geschwaderkommodore Walter Dahl

CharlesBronson · 11-09-2005, 01:42 PM

He,he yes indeed I love the leather jacket, the shoes are not the Lutwaffe flying boots.

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wingman to another guy who put in for bogus claims, Geschwaderkommodore Walter Dahl

I see numbers between 29 and 36 viermots atributed to Dahl, what you think..?

Erich · 11-09-2005, 05:47 PM

the lower number probably is correct. Ever since Dahl became the Kommodore for JG 300 he claimed the glory on 3/4rs of the SturmFw missions for himself and his Geschwader. There is still so much confusion as to which sturmgruppe claimed the correct amount of Heavy bombers when more than one gruppe attacked enmasse with one another. Wood's listing cannot even be trusted, and since I have mentioned the lack of confirmed documentation from the fall of 44 till wars end it doubly makes it heven harder.......

lesofprimus · 11-09-2005, 07:09 PM

Alot of people dispute Dahl's claims, and rightly so...

Erich · 11-09-2005, 07:44 PM

it atually starts on the huge air battel of 7-7-44 over Oschersleben. Rad Dahl's rammjäger book and you see what I mean. there is much fantasy reading to be had in it ............ kinda like Pierre Closterman's big show

WEISNER · 11-09-2005, 10:16 PM

So Erich, What victories if any by Loos can be confirmed?
Kevin

lesofprimus · 11-09-2005, 10:38 PM

I can find 2 refrences, 18 and 19 kills confirmed....

WEISNER · 11-09-2005, 11:06 PM

Thanks for your reply, the book I keep at my computer for reference states 22 four motor and a total of 38 victoris. from Horrido. Jg 300 book shows 6 vic through sept 1944. what scources were you quoting from lesofprimus? any how as Erich is a friend of sorts I would like to hear his take....
Kevin
Ps, looking at pictures of Dahl, to me he just looks like a B.S'R. always looks perfect for the camera too.............

lesofprimus · 11-09-2005, 11:27 PM

One source was http://www.luftwaffe.cz/loosw.html

The other is from memory of an article from Neil Page...

I do seem to recall an interview with Loos in which he stated that he felt HIS performance directly affected the WHOLE Gruppes moral.... Maybe some insight as to some of his bolstered claims???

EIther way, he was a hell of a pilot and got to fly the baddest prop kite of the war, the Ta-152H-1....

lesofprimus · 11-09-2005, 11:30 PM

And heres Walther Dahls mugshot....

WEISNER · 11-09-2005, 11:48 PM

I agree with you on the 152, along with the Dora series 190, He219 and the Ju88 G series nightfighters the Ta152 is one of my favorite aircraft. supposedly Loos had 3? victories in the Ta152....
Kevin

11-05-2005, 10:52 AM	#61
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,506	Great stuff.. __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

11-08-2005, 09:34 PM	#62
CharlesBronson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cordoba - Argentina Posts: 2,999	Snif...snif...I get melancolic for the large amount of info, Thank so much Erich, I stole it and became the translation to the spanish. :P Off course giving the source: __________________ Bronsons´s videos

11-09-2005, 01:11 PM	#63
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	CB if you are using "all" of this thread for a web-site I would appreciate the url. also I have just been sent some stimulating reports covering the 27 Septmeber 44 route of the 445th bg. I would advise CB you delete the materials covering the raid as I need to rewrite them and there are errors within the old operational text that I wrote E ~ __________________ Rip it up !

11-09-2005, 01:33 PM	#65
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	Walter Loos, blue 14, Stab./JG 300. most of his victories in JG 300 cannot be confirmed ! wingman to another guy who put in for bogus claims, Geschwaderkommodore Walter Dahl __________________ Rip it up !

11-09-2005, 05:47 PM	#67
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	the lower number probably is correct. Ever since Dahl became the Kommodore for JG 300 he claimed the glory on 3/4rs of the SturmFw missions for himself and his Geschwader. There is still so much confusion as to which sturmgruppe claimed the correct amount of Heavy bombers when more than one gruppe attacked enmasse with one another. Wood's listing cannot even be trusted, and since I have mentioned the lack of confirmed documentation from the fall of 44 till wars end it doubly makes it heven harder....... __________________ Rip it up !

11-09-2005, 07:09 PM	#68
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,506	Alot of people dispute Dahl's claims, and rightly so... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

11-09-2005, 07:44 PM	#69
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	it atually starts on the huge air battel of 7-7-44 over Oschersleben. Rad Dahl's rammjäger book and you see what I mean. there is much fantasy reading to be had in it ............ kinda like Pierre Closterman's big show __________________ Rip it up !

11-09-2005, 10:16 PM	#70
WEISNER Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 23	So Erich, What victories if any by Loos can be confirmed? Kevin

11-09-2005, 10:38 PM	#71
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,506	I can find 2 refrences, 18 and 19 kills confirmed.... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

11-09-2005, 11:06 PM	#72
WEISNER Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 23	Thanks for your reply, the book I keep at my computer for reference states 22 four motor and a total of 38 victoris. from Horrido. Jg 300 book shows 6 vic through sept 1944. what scources were you quoting from lesofprimus? any how as Erich is a friend of sorts I would like to hear his take.... Kevin Ps, looking at pictures of Dahl, to me he just looks like a B.S'R. always looks perfect for the camera too.............

11-09-2005, 11:27 PM	#73
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,506	One source was http://www.luftwaffe.cz/loosw.html The other is from memory of an article from Neil Page... I do seem to recall an interview with Loos in which he stated that he felt HIS performance directly affected the WHOLE Gruppes moral.... Maybe some insight as to some of his bolstered claims??? EIther way, he was a hell of a pilot and got to fly the baddest prop kite of the war, the Ta-152H-1.... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

11-09-2005, 11:48 PM	#75
WEISNER Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 23	I agree with you on the 152, along with the Dora series 190, He219 and the Ju88 G series nightfighters the Ta152 is one of my favorite aircraft. supposedly Loos had 3? victories in the Ta152.... Kevin

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