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Gizmo · 02-20-2006, 03:54 PM

Erich, Did you know about others non-Sturmgruppen units equipment with Fw 190A-8/R2 ?

Erich · 02-20-2006, 07:25 PM

A-7/R2's made up many of the machines in I./JG 11, no armor but had the outboard Mk 108's fitted used in frontal attacks in the spring of 44 before the A-8 took their places

GT · 02-21-2006, 06:19 AM

Update.

Gizmo · 03-11-2006, 12:42 PM

I have found, that I./JG2 and I./JG 26 also used small number of Fw 190A-8/R2.
http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/jagd/bijg2.html
http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/jagd/bijg26.html

Erich, one more question...
Did "standard" (not sturmbock) variant of Fw 190A-8/R2 had additional armour for 30mm ammunition ?

Erich · 03-12-2006, 09:37 PM

there were only 3 sturmgruppen fitted with A-8/r2 and r8 variants with added armor on the fuselage, wings around ammo boxes, canopy, cockpit. the standard A-8/r2 or MK all had just outboard 3cm weapons for bomber killing they were not armored. Also III./JG 301 had a few full on R2 variants with cockpit armor and armored front glass but still not so like the 3 SturmFw gruppen.

I./JG 11 first used the MK model for bomber killing attacking from the front and also JG 1 was suppose to be suplemented as well, why I./JG 11 was not done over as a full on Sturmgruppe is beyond me as it probably had the most experienced crews of any outfit in the spring/summer of 44. Even the tried Sturmstaffel 1 that transferred personell into JG 3 and later JG 4 still did not have the kill ratio/losses that I./JG 11 had, instead I./JG 11 flew the A-8 standard

Erich · 06-10-2006, 07:12 PM

JG 4 volumes by Eric Mombeek are almost finished being translated from the German to the English and volume 2 of EE's JG 300 due out in September this year hopefully ..........

lesofprimus · 06-10-2006, 07:18 PM

Im waiting unpatiently for the Vol II JG300 book.... Hurry the fu*k up already.....

Erich · 06-10-2006, 07:21 PM

I know I know, but at least the Dora book, volume 1 will be available before JG 300 so that might be some bright news to the gloom ........

lesofprimus · 06-10-2006, 07:22 PM

U got a link for the Dora book Erich, or the author and title atleast???

Erich · 06-10-2006, 07:26 PM

see eagle-editions.com

Jerry Crandall, new releases page and they cover the Dora book(s) of sorts. no commitment as to when the volumes will be released by stone and stone which is quite reputable mentions the September release month

Twitch · 06-12-2006, 02:42 PM

Reminded me of some info I have on Willi Maximowitz and his A8-/R8. This picture shows his Black 8 attacking B-24Js of the 93ed BG in summer 1944. He was in IV Sturm/JG3 which took in his original Sturmstaffel 1 formed in November 1943. Rüstsätze modifications replaced the outboard MG 151 20 mms with Mk 108 30 mms.

As a Strumback or rammer Willi scored several kills over heavies by ramming. His final tally was 27 with 15 4-engined bombers. He went MIA April 20, 1945

Erich · 06-12-2006, 04:36 PM

a little added info Twitch. Maxi flew black 8 on jabo missions in Normandie for a week before his 11.Sturm/JG 3 was then re-evaluated and used for the basis of the Sturmangriff for the IV. gruppe. We are not usre if he used this Schwarze 8 continually or other a/c as Will Unger sure did at least 12 different Sturms.

maxi went missing with Soviet fighters at mid-altitude and told my freind and his kaermaden in 14.Sturm/JG 3 that he packed away an Mp 40 in the cockpit and if crash-landing in soviet territory that he was going to save the last bullet for himself. Still studying by maxi may hve only had one ramming. and also the painting depicts an A-8/R2 as the R8's did not come available till end of November 44 with standard removeal of the cowling mg 131's and the aerodynamic fairings installed as standard. R2's had the installation but it wa done in the field and not at the factory ...........

Tschuß

Wurger · 06-12-2006, 05:15 PM

Hi !!!
There a pic of the Willi Maximowitz's Fw 190A8-/R8 " Black 8 ".

source unknown:

Erich · 06-12-2006, 05:35 PM

geez guys its a frickin A-8/R2 ok ............. the pic is a series of well known often published shots of him doing a taxi run without the under fuselgage bomb while their short stint - 1 week on Normandie. there is so much myth that goes on when 1-2 photos appear especially on the net

lesofprimus · 06-12-2006, 08:29 PM

Quote:

see eagle-editions.com

Jerry Crandall, new releases page and they cover the Dora book(s) of sorts. no commitment as to when the volumes will be released by stone and stone which is quite reputable mentions the September release month

I just purchased the Green Hearts Dora 9 book Erich.... Any comments on that one??? I remember u saying it was a pretty damn good book with only a few innacuracys....

02-20-2006, 07:25 PM	#92
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,774	A-7/R2's made up many of the machines in I./JG 11, no armor but had the outboard Mk 108's fitted used in frontal attacks in the spring of 44 before the A-8 took their places __________________ Rip it up !

02-21-2006, 06:19 AM	#93
GT Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 503	Update. Last edited by GT; 03-30-2006 at 06:54 AM.

03-12-2006, 09:37 PM	#95
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,774	there were only 3 sturmgruppen fitted with A-8/r2 and r8 variants with added armor on the fuselage, wings around ammo boxes, canopy, cockpit. the standard A-8/r2 or MK all had just outboard 3cm weapons for bomber killing they were not armored. Also III./JG 301 had a few full on R2 variants with cockpit armor and armored front glass but still not so like the 3 SturmFw gruppen. I./JG 11 first used the MK model for bomber killing attacking from the front and also JG 1 was suppose to be suplemented as well, why I./JG 11 was not done over as a full on Sturmgruppe is beyond me as it probably had the most experienced crews of any outfit in the spring/summer of 44. Even the tried Sturmstaffel 1 that transferred personell into JG 3 and later JG 4 still did not have the kill ratio/losses that I./JG 11 had, instead I./JG 11 flew the A-8 standard __________________ Rip it up !

06-10-2006, 07:12 PM	#96
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,774	JG 4 volumes by Eric Mombeek are almost finished being translated from the German to the English and volume 2 of EE's JG 300 due out in September this year hopefully .......... __________________ Rip it up !

06-10-2006, 07:18 PM	#97
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,501	Im waiting unpatiently for the Vol II JG300 book.... Hurry the fu*k up already..... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

02-20-2006, 03:54 PM	#91
Gizmo Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Krakow, Poland Posts: 11	Erich, Did you know about others non-Sturmgruppen units equipment with Fw 190A-8/R2 ?

03-11-2006, 12:42 PM	#94
Gizmo Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Krakow, Poland Posts: 11	I have found, that I./JG2 and I./JG 26 also used small number of Fw 190A-8/R2. http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/jagd/bijg2.html http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/jagd/bijg26.html Erich, one more question... Did "standard" (not sturmbock) variant of Fw 190A-8/R2 had additional armour for 30mm ammunition ?

06-10-2006, 07:21 PM	#98
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,774	I know I know, but at least the Dora book, volume 1 will be available before JG 300 so that might be some bright news to the gloom ........ __________________ Rip it up !

06-10-2006, 07:22 PM	#99
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,501	U got a link for the Dora book Erich, or the author and title atleast??? __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

06-10-2006, 07:26 PM	#100
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,774	see eagle-editions.com Jerry Crandall, new releases page and they cover the Dora book(s) of sorts. no commitment as to when the volumes will be released by stone and stone which is quite reputable mentions the September release month __________________ Rip it up !

06-12-2006, 04:36 PM	#102
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,774	a little added info Twitch. Maxi flew black 8 on jabo missions in Normandie for a week before his 11.Sturm/JG 3 was then re-evaluated and used for the basis of the Sturmangriff for the IV. gruppe. We are not usre if he used this Schwarze 8 continually or other a/c as Will Unger sure did at least 12 different Sturms. maxi went missing with Soviet fighters at mid-altitude and told my freind and his kaermaden in 14.Sturm/JG 3 that he packed away an Mp 40 in the cockpit and if crash-landing in soviet territory that he was going to save the last bullet for himself. Still studying by maxi may hve only had one ramming. and also the painting depicts an A-8/R2 as the R8's did not come available till end of November 44 with standard removeal of the cowling mg 131's and the aerodynamic fairings installed as standard. R2's had the installation but it wa done in the field and not at the factory ........... Tschuß __________________ Rip it up !

06-12-2006, 05:35 PM	#104
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,774	geez guys its a frickin A-8/R2 ok ............. the pic is a series of well known often published shots of him doing a taxi run without the under fuselgage bomb while their short stint - 1 week on Normandie. there is so much myth that goes on when 1-2 photos appear especially on the net __________________ Rip it up !

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