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01-31-2005, 01:32 PM
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#91 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | Yes it was, I've just been reading up on it, a total of 12 submarines (10 German, 1 ex-German used by IJN and one Japanese). Not a bad haul really
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01-31-2005, 05:48 PM
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| Certainly not a bad haul for a converted merchant ship.
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01-31-2005, 07:30 PM
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| I read about this Pearl Harbour thing years ago, written by Edwin Muller, entitled '' Blueprint for Pearl Harbour '', published in a Readers Digest...
At the time, an Admiral H.E. Yarnell was out on the Saratoga, and it was in company with the Lexington and 4 destroyers as a task force to try out the Harbour's defences, which he did with 152 aircraft at around dawn 7th Feb. 1932.....it was the Japanese spy organisation on Oahu and in sampans that sent the info back to Tokyo for analysis...they concluded at that point that the primary weapon of a modern navy is Air power and that the Striking force of a fleet should be based around the carriers...as did the US, as they realised bitterly on the 8th Dec. 1941, exactly how, from nine years previous, the Japanese had done it....they'd used exactly the same number of aircraft, and their losses were about the same as Admiral Yarnell's theoretical ones........
Those German merchant raiders were active down in the Pacific, there was one in particular, can't remember the name offhand, but it had quite a ' field day ', really capitalised on it's 'commercial camoflage and disguises'....
Thanks for the details on U-862, plan_D... - It was recorded in that book on 'Aircraft vs U-boats', by Norman Franks, that it shot the P-38 down in Singapore Harbour, which sounds quite unusual....they weren't known for sub-hunting, were they ?? ...and the U-862 was captured there too....?...I'm still wondering if it was part of a Hunting-group with this one that apparently landed here........
And I agree, really awesome U-boat pics, Erich.... | |
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01-31-2005, 07:52 PM
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01-31-2005, 09:50 PM
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#95 | | the old Sage
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Country: | U-185 about to be sunk by VC-13 a/c from the USS Core in 1943 | |
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01-31-2005, 10:02 PM
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| Does anyone have the number of U-boats built compared to the number left after the war ended? I read them somewhere, but can't find where anymore. It was some incredible number, like 80-85% sunk and more damaged
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01-31-2005, 10:03 PM
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#97 | | the old Sage
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Country: | Gem: not sure which of the 11 Aux. Schiffe you are talking about in the Pacific, the Orion which scored all but 2 kills in the Pacific and the Michael which on it's second journey was returning from Japan to Germany and sunk by a US sub.
the Komet actually circled the globe
the Kormoran on it's last op sank the HMAS Sydney but was damaged so bad with the Allied ship that she was abandoned and blown up. The demise of the Sydney is still a mystery today.
the Atlantis had an incredible journey under Rogge as well aas an impressive number of ship kills. Rogges book Ship 16 is still a classic.... | |
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01-31-2005, 10:10 PM
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#98 | | the old Sage
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Country: | heres a shot of the Kapitän of a surrendering boot U 234 at war's end, Fehler on the right with 11th U-boot flottilla Co Korv.Kpt. H.-L. Willenbrock | |
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01-31-2005, 10:18 PM
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Does anyone have the number of U-boats built compared to the number left after the war ended? I read them somewhere, but can't find where anymore. It was some incredible number, like 80-85% sunk and more damaged
| ummm...the total loss of u-boats is 749 by the Kriegsmarine and the total number commissioned was 1161 | |
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01-31-2005, 10:22 PM
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| closer to 65% then, but still, it's an impressive number. *shrug*
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01-31-2005, 10:40 PM
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#101 | | the old Sage
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Country: | according to one source, and of course there are many
total number of U-boots was 1150 of which 781 were lost, 213 were scuttled at wars end and another 154 surrenderd. U-boot personell was roughly 40,000 men with losses of 28,000 KIA and saome 5,000 POW.
U-boots sunk some 2603 Merchant ships and 175 Warships and Auxillaries | |
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02-01-2005, 04:48 AM
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Country: | Atlantis captured vital information too, regarding the positions of the Royal Navy and ground forces in the Pacific. Atlantis hunting ground was South Atlantic and Indian Ocean.
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02-01-2005, 11:42 AM
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#103 | | the old Sage
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Country: | speaking of German Aux. raiders, here is a very rare shot of the Orions Kapitän | |
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02-01-2005, 07:12 PM
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02-03-2005, 04:44 AM
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| Yep, that was it, the Orion....I've read about it's mission somewhere....[If I can just remember where, now....]
- I will have to wait and see what develops with this TV programme....
Good pics there, guys....... | |
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