Superior fighter (F4U-4 vs. P-47M) - Aircraft of World War II

Magister · 12-11-2005, 11:17 PM

Great board you gents have here. I've been wondering for a while which plane would come out on top in a matchup between the F4U-4 and the P-47M.

I have some P-47M data that I'd like to share with you all after I get some opinions and such.

I'm looking forward to reading your comments!

lesofprimus · 12-12-2005, 12:53 AM

Welcome to the site....

Your question basically comes down to combat atltude.... Low to medium altitude, the Corsair... Above that, the 'Bolt...

And for the record, and ur new found membership, my Grandfather was a Blacksheep....

Spend some time and search around the Message Board for a few hours, read up on the older material and get a feel for the way things are run around here....

Magister · 12-12-2005, 01:30 AM

Which Blacksheep was he?

I have some speed and climb data from the P-47M manufacturer that I would like to compare with similar data for the F4U-4. (Basically, I'm looking for some performance specs for the F4U-4 Corsair here)

This data is for the P-47M at combat gross weight of 13,275lbs (full fuel and ammo) and WEP.

Top speed @ 5,000ft = 386mph
Top speed @ 15,000ft = 422mph
Top speed @ 32,000ft = 470mph

Climb rate @ 5,000ft = 3,775ft/min
Climb rate @ 15,000ft = 3,425ft/min
Climb rate @ 28,000ft = 2,375ft/min

From JonJGoldberg's data, it looks like the gross weight of the F4U-4 is 12,450lbs. I have to sort of estimate the exact numbers from the chart he provided which I have relocated below so here goes.

Top speed @ 5,000ft = 380mph
Top speed @ 15,000ft = 425mph
Top speed @ 32,000ft = 445mph

Climb rate @ 5,000ft = 3,750ft/min
Climb rate @ 15,000ft = 3,600ft/min
Climb rate @ 28,000ft = 1,800ft/min

lesofprimus · 12-12-2005, 01:39 AM

My Grandfather was Bill Case...

Gnomey · 12-12-2005, 05:23 AM

Welcome to the forum Magister.

I will agree with Les, the F4U-4 at low altitude and the P-47M at high altitude.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 12-12-2005, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lesofprimus

My Grandfather was Bill Case...

Is Bill Case.....

I also agree with you on this subject.

Magister · 12-13-2005, 02:43 AM

The climb rate of the F4U-4 really degrades fast at higher altitudes. The P-47M is pulling 2,375fpm at 28,000 feet. The F4U-4 looks like she can match this climb rate at 26,000 feet but by the time she's made it just 2,000feet higher to 28,000 feet, her climb rate is already down to 1,800fpm.

I'd say that over 25,000 feet, her climb rate takes her out of the race.

I think the P-47 has roll rate on her too.

What about turning in a tight fight? I would think that the F4U-4 might have an advantage here. How would the power loss at higher altitudes affect the F4U-4's ability to turn?

lesofprimus · 12-13-2005, 08:42 AM

Grandpa died a bunch of years ago Adler....

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 12-13-2005, 02:24 PM

Yes but he still is Bill Case. Im just saying this because I feel that people who served (as well as other loved ones) live on in memories.

lesofprimus · 12-13-2005, 06:35 PM

Oh, ok I got ya...

Nonskimmer · 12-13-2005, 06:47 PM

That's a cool way to look at it actually.

Jank · 12-13-2005, 07:39 PM

:shock: 1800fpm at 28,000? :shock: That altitude data on the F4u-4 Corsair realy points oiut why the P-47N was the little friend the B-29 crews could rely on.

Camarogenius · 12-13-2005, 09:00 PM

Since the Combat attributes of both planes has been well covered, Let's make it a beauty contest!!!
F4U Hands Down!!!!
Sorry, but the P-47 is One Ugly Mother. Effective, but Ugly.

Magister · 12-13-2005, 11:58 PM

Nonsense! Beautiful ... and deadly.

the lancaster kicks ass · 12-14-2005, 11:53 AM

yeah i'd have to agree, the P-47 is one mighty fine looking bird...........

12-11-2005, 11:17 PM	#1
Magister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cupertino, CA Posts: 183	Superior fighter (F4U-4 vs. P-47M) Great board you gents have here. I've been wondering for a while which plane would come out on top in a matchup between the F4U-4 and the P-47M. I have some P-47M data that I'd like to share with you all after I get some opinions and such. I'm looking forward to reading your comments! __________________ MAGISTER

12-12-2005, 12:53 AM	#2
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,501	Welcome to the site.... Your question basically comes down to combat atltude.... Low to medium altitude, the Corsair... Above that, the 'Bolt... And for the record, and ur new found membership, my Grandfather was a Blacksheep.... Spend some time and search around the Message Board for a few hours, read up on the older material and get a feel for the way things are run around here.... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

12-12-2005, 01:30 AM	#3
Magister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cupertino, CA Posts: 183	Which Blacksheep was he? I have some speed and climb data from the P-47M manufacturer that I would like to compare with similar data for the F4U-4. (Basically, I'm looking for some performance specs for the F4U-4 Corsair here) This data is for the P-47M at combat gross weight of 13,275lbs (full fuel and ammo) and WEP. Top speed @ 5,000ft = 386mph Top speed @ 15,000ft = 422mph Top speed @ 32,000ft = 470mph Climb rate @ 5,000ft = 3,775ft/min Climb rate @ 15,000ft = 3,425ft/min Climb rate @ 28,000ft = 2,375ft/min From JonJGoldberg's data, it looks like the gross weight of the F4U-4 is 12,450lbs. I have to sort of estimate the exact numbers from the chart he provided which I have relocated below so here goes. Top speed @ 5,000ft = 380mph Top speed @ 15,000ft = 425mph Top speed @ 32,000ft = 445mph Climb rate @ 5,000ft = 3,750ft/min Climb rate @ 15,000ft = 3,600ft/min Climb rate @ 28,000ft = 1,800ft/min __________________ MAGISTER

12-12-2005, 01:39 AM	#4
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,501	My Grandfather was Bill Case... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

12-12-2005, 05:23 AM	#5
Gnomey "World Traveller" Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Royal Deeside/St Andrews, Scotland, UK Posts: 15,224	Welcome to the forum Magister. I will agree with Les, the F4U-4 at low altitude and the P-47M at high altitude. __________________ "Success is not Final, Failure is not Fatal, it is the Courage to Continue that Counts" Sir Winston Churchill "To him the People of the World Largely owe the Freedom and Liberties they Enjoy Today" Enscription on Hugh Dowding's (AOC Fighter Command 1936-40) statue in London WW2 Talk: A WW2 Discussion Forum My Photo Collections on Flickr

12-13-2005, 02:43 AM	#7
Magister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cupertino, CA Posts: 183	The climb rate of the F4U-4 really degrades fast at higher altitudes. The P-47M is pulling 2,375fpm at 28,000 feet. The F4U-4 looks like she can match this climb rate at 26,000 feet but by the time she's made it just 2,000feet higher to 28,000 feet, her climb rate is already down to 1,800fpm. I'd say that over 25,000 feet, her climb rate takes her out of the race. I think the P-47 has roll rate on her too. What about turning in a tight fight? I would think that the F4U-4 might have an advantage here. How would the power loss at higher altitudes affect the F4U-4's ability to turn? __________________ MAGISTER

12-13-2005, 08:42 AM	#8
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,501	Grandpa died a bunch of years ago Adler.... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

12-13-2005, 02:24 PM	#9
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	Yes but he still is Bill Case. Im just saying this because I feel that people who served (as well as other loved ones) live on in memories. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

12-13-2005, 06:35 PM	#10
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,501	Oh, ok I got ya... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

12-13-2005, 06:47 PM	#11
Nonskimmer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 8,871	That's a cool way to look at it actually.

12-13-2005, 07:39 PM	#12
Jank Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 679	:shock: 1800fpm at 28,000? :shock: That altitude data on the F4u-4 Corsair realy points oiut why the P-47N was the little friend the B-29 crews could rely on.

12-13-2005, 09:00 PM	#13
Camarogenius Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 36	Since the Combat attributes of both planes has been well covered, Let's make it a beauty contest!!! F4U Hands Down!!!! Sorry, but the P-47 is One Ugly Mother. Effective, but Ugly.

12-13-2005, 11:58 PM	#14
Magister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cupertino, CA Posts: 183	Nonsense! Beautiful ... and deadly. __________________ MAGISTER

12-14-2005, 11:53 AM	#15
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	yeah i'd have to agree, the P-47 is one mighty fine looking bird........... __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

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