The Ta-152.... The Best High Altitude Fighter?????

KraziKanuK · 08-30-2005, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Lunatic

Another, bigger issue, was servicablity. The TA was a plane racked with innovations, most of them complicated and requiring expert maintanence. IIRC never were more than about 1/2 to 1/3 of the available TA152 airframes airworthy.

Agh?

The Jumo had seen service. MW50 had been used previously. GM1 had been used previously. So what was so complicated?

It had nothing to do with requiring expert maintainance. It just the state of affairs at that point in the war. As with any other German a/c of the time, manufacturing was not the best.

So if the Ta152 was expensive to produce, then so must be the Doras and Antons?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-30-2005, 04:29 PM

I think one of the major problems would have been as stated about the manufacturing. Everything at that time was having to be produced quickly to try and get as much out as possible and that reduced the quality of the product, also as many have stated the lack of raw supplies.

Erich · 08-30-2005, 04:47 PM

as I said if someone would move the tjhis pages to Reichsverteidigung as it is not applicable to the Ta 152H

September 11, 1944, first action of a unified JG 4

15 different gruppen in action

56 piltos kia
23 wounded
113 a/c destroyed
20 with under 60% damged.

100th bg and the 92nd get rifled by JG 4 but JG 4 loses 21 pilots and 50 a/c in process.

12 September 1944 against the US 8th AF

15 gruppen again take to the skies

42 pilots kia
14 wounded
76 a/c destroyed
5 with under 60 % damage

JG 4 again takes the brunt of the losses with 12 kia and loses 17 a/c

plan_D · 08-31-2005, 09:21 PM

The Ta-152 carried the wing twist that made it more stable in a stall. The Dora and Anton did not have that. That alone would make the Ta-152 harder to build than previous Fw-190s.

KraziKanuK · 08-31-2005, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by plan_D

The Ta-152 carried the wing twist that made it more stable in a stall. The Dora and Anton did not have that. That alone would make the Ta-152 harder to build than previous Fw-190s.

The Anton/Dora had 2 degrees of wing twist.

plan_D · 08-31-2005, 09:55 PM

Not as much as the Ta-152 though.

KraziKanuK · 08-31-2005, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by plan_D

Not as much as the Ta-152 though.

Naturally it did as the H had a greater wing span. The twist from the A/Ds was just continued further out.

plan_D · 08-31-2005, 10:33 PM

You have a serious attitude problem. It seems to me that you're just trying to make me look foolish or wrong but you're failing quite badly. You attempt on attacking my remark about the wing twist on the Ta-152 being more than the Fw-190s, why? You know that I'm right and the longer the wingspan, the more twist, the harder to build. Are you really stupid, or just an *******?

Nonskimmer · 08-31-2005, 10:44 PM

Take it outside fellas. We don't want no blood on the walls in here. Too hard to wash out.

And D, calm the f*ck down.

KraziKanuK · 09-01-2005, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by plan_D

You have a serious attitude problem. It seems to me that you're just trying to make me look foolish or wrong but you're failing quite badly. You attempt on attacking my remark about the wing twist on the Ta-152 being more than the Fw-190s, why? You know that I'm right and the longer the wingspan, the more twist, the harder to build. Are you really stupid, or just an *******?

Me making you look 'foolish or wrong'?

I don't have to try to for you sure are doing a good job of that all by your lonesome yourself. The only one being the AH is you pD, as usual.

Your just POed 'Mr Expert on everything' because your were proven to be wrong.

The one with the serious attitude problem is you pD. Take NS's advice, "calm the f*ck down"!!! Do not worry NS, he is not worth it. He reminds me of a certain Hungarian lawyer who is always going off the emotional deep end.

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Originally Posted by plan_D

The Ta-152 carried the wing twist that made it more stable in a stall. The Dora and Anton did not have that.

You never said in your original post that the H had greater twist. All I said was that the A/Ds did have some twist. I then said why the H had more degree of twist, not you.

Then we see one of your rants.

Ever hear of jigs? The twist is built into the jig. Not hard to build the wing, at all. Every build a long wing span model glider (6-8')? No harder than building a 4' wing.

syscom3 · 09-01-2005, 12:20 AM

It doesnt matter if the Ta152 had a wing twist or not, cause they still would have been easily shot down by allied aircraft.

Now take your anger out on me......

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 09-01-2005, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by syscom3

It doesnt matter if the Ta152 had a wing twist or not, cause they still would have been easily shot down by allied aircraft.

Now take your anger out on me......

Seriously doubt that, but okay you can keep on thinking that.

By the way I think everyone needs to take a chill pill. Everyone is getting wild out over stupid ****. Take a deep breath and drink a beer.

Erich · 09-01-2005, 01:31 PM

Syscom whom do you think III./JG 301 and the Geschwader Stab/JG 301 faced ?

they shot down US, RAF and Soviet a/c

syscom3 · 09-01-2005, 02:18 PM

I saw the specs of a top secret project to fit an R3350 to a Piper Cub to give it the ability to deal with the Ta152 at low and middle altitudes.

Now reread my prior posted comment, drink a beer, relax and have a laugh.

Erich · 09-01-2005, 02:42 PM

actually having a glas of Deutsche wein, will pass on the bier.