 | The Ta-152.... The Best High Altitude Fighter?????| Aviation Discuss The Ta-152.... The Best High Altitude Fighter????? in the World War II - Aviation forums; Ok - I agree latches can be quicker - providing they don't break while in use, a typical problem with latches ... |
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09-06-2005, 12:10 PM
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#211 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country:  | Ok - I agree latches can be quicker - providing they don't break while in use, a typical problem with latches and why Dzus fasteners are still popular today. Dzus fasteners, when they wear out can be replaced in about a minute, a latch may involve drilling out rivets and re-riveting a new latch in place.
Don't have a Dora or -152 latch assembly photo in fromt of me so I can't comment on construction or reliability, I wonder how the -109 stacks up??
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09-07-2005, 03:24 PM
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#212 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ Ok - I agree latches can be quicker - providing they don't break while in use, a typical problem with latches and why Dzus fasteners are still popular today. Dzus fasteners, when they wear out can be replaced in about a minute, a latch may involve drilling out rivets and re-riveting a new latch in place. | Yeap, we still used Dzus fasteners and Cam Locks today. They are used all over my Blackhawk. To be honest though I hate them. For instance the ones on my Tail Rotor Gear Box Cover break out all the time and after about each flight I have to replace about 2 or 3 of them on that cover alone. However as you said though it takes on average about 20 seconds to put a new one in and put a star washer on the back. Presto replaced! Now if you have to replace the nut plate or the leaf spring that holds it on then you have to replace rivets and it can take a while because you have to remove the cover or fairing and take it into the shop most of the time.
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09-07-2005, 11:18 PM
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| DZUS fasteners?! Damn we used those in training. We were taught to carry a quarter or nickel with us always to refasten them if they came loose. Funny that. | |
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09-08-2005, 12:18 AM
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#214 | | Senior Member
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| Ok, Ive figured this out.
The Ta-152 was probably the superior very high altitude fighter of WW2.
However, as it got to the middle and low altitudes, it wasnt.
If I were a P51/P38/P47 pilot and want to tangle up 1 on 1 at 35,000 feet with it..... id be very carefull about it.
If I was down to 20,000 feet, Id go for it.
Below that, it would be meat on the table.
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09-08-2005, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Lunatic And the unified control system on the 190A was one of its greatest weaknesses. Had it had a manual system it would have been able to operate at the higher altitudes where it was needed. The flight control computer failed at around 24-25K forcing the plane into a low power rich fuel mode (70% power?). It relies on relative pressures with the ambient pressure acting as a divisor. When the ambient pressure got too low a divide by zero error condition occured. The Beech system did not rely on purely analog logic to control the system, and I believe it was not made to operate above 20,000 feet anyway (not sure of this). Modern unfied control systems of course use digital logic and have no problem with altitude.
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09-08-2005, 09:27 AM
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#216 | | Minister of Whoopass
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09-08-2005, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Monkeysee1 DZUS fasteners?! Damn we used those in training. We were taught to carry a quarter or nickel with us always to refasten them if they came loose. Funny that. | North American Aviation had a Dzus tool for the Mustang that could also be used to straighten out the edges of the engine cowlings if they distorted. I have one! 
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09-08-2005, 09:39 AM
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09-08-2005, 09:57 AM
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09-08-2005, 02:10 PM
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#220 | | Der Crewchief
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09-08-2005, 02:13 PM
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#221 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Yeah atleast Blackhawks are still filled with those fasteners. | Eurocopters (A-Stars) use latches and for the most part they are pretty reliable, but they do break and have to be drilled out. If you have a broken latch on that thype of helicopter, you're not allowed to fly.....
I would like to see say a -190 latch and make a comparison.... 
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09-08-2005, 02:24 PM
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#222 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Yeah that would be interesting. We have latches also for the really large compartments like the Engine Cowlings, APU Access Panels, Oil Cooler Access Panels, Main Rotor Sliding Cover, and so forth.
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02-06-2007, 12:55 PM
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#224 | | the old Sage
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02-06-2007, 01:10 PM
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#225 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Erich  I am bringing this back up as a **** bump **** to edit and take off information to be strengthened as maybe we can go through and add this with the replies from Herr Reschke through Adlers letter at some point ? we can still add to this old thread......yes ? | I really hope he replies. I am very excited about this. If this works out as I hope it does, I would like to write letters to other pilots who flew different aircraft and ask about there experiences.
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