 | The Ta-152.... The Best High Altitude Fighter?????| Aviation Discuss The Ta-152.... The Best High Altitude Fighter????? in the World War II - Aviation forums; my understanding is YES there were many test reports as III./JG 301 besides Bruno Stolles test Kommando which trained ... |
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02-13-2007, 10:42 AM
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#241 | | the old Sage
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Country:  | my understanding is YES there were many test reports as III./JG 301 besides Bruno Stolles test Kommando which trained III. gruppe pilots with of course minimal training - hop in take er for a spin. As to where the reports have fallen ? probably along with many important docs of 1945 in one of those 12 ton trucks vapourized near Berlin. | 
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02-14-2007, 07:20 AM
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#242 | | Banned
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Originally Posted by Erich  Leutnant Hagedorn (still alive and I have a signed bookplate via Weisenr from him), flew Yellow 2 on 2 February 45 while in III./JG 301 along with pilots Bübi Blum and Hauptman Benno Rühe. Hagedorn says they flew to 43,290 feet and flew at an incredible speed of 508-515 mph. "I'd never had such a fast aircraft under my behind in all my life". | That is a ground speed of 508-515mph. The speed was worked out with the help of Fw test pilot Kneemeier after the flight. | |
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02-14-2007, 07:27 AM
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| Ground speed equals TAS.
__________________  We have built a total of about 1250 of this aircraft (Me-262), but only fifty were allowed to be used as fighters - as interceptors. And out of this fifty, there were never more than 25 operational. So we had only a very, very few.
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02-14-2007, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Soren Ground speed equals TAS. | ....oops....those doggone headwinds.... | |
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02-14-2007, 07:51 AM
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| In zero wind conditions ofcourse..
I doubt they were flying with the wind during all those speed runs.
__________________ We have built a total of about 1250 of this aircraft (Me-262), but only fifty were allowed to be used as fighters - as interceptors. And out of this fifty, there were never more than 25 operational. So we had only a very, very few.
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02-14-2007, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Soren In zero wind conditions ofcourse..
I doubt they were flying with the wind during all those speed runs. | This is not a valid statement. Finding zero wind at high altitude is not a reasonable criteria for an aerodynamic test. Because of uncertainty of wind speed, TAS is generally calculated using atmospheric data not including wind. | |
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02-14-2007, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Erich my understanding is YES there were many test reports as III./JG 301 besides Bruno Stolles test Kommando which trained III. gruppe pilots with of course minimal training - hop in take er for a spin. As to where the reports have fallen ? probably along with many important docs of 1945 in one of those 12 ton trucks vapourized near Berlin. | A loss for all of us. | |
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02-15-2007, 07:38 AM
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| You're right Davparlr, hit myself on the head with that one
__________________ We have built a total of about 1250 of this aircraft (Me-262), but only fifty were allowed to be used as fighters - as interceptors. And out of this fifty, there were never more than 25 operational. So we had only a very, very few.
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02-15-2007, 07:49 AM
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02-15-2007, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Soren You're right Davparlr, hit myself on the head with that one | We all hit ourselves on the head at times. Mine is pretty dinted!  | |
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02-17-2007, 12:05 AM
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#251 | | Hairy one of Old Judea
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Country:  | It is interesting to speculate what would have happened had the TA-152 been available earlier. They could have made life quite difficult for US Bomber crews.
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04-01-2007, 10:15 AM
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Country:  | Just for fun here fellow forum travellers... How would a Ta-152C get on in a Reno Air race?
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04-01-2007, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Lucky13 Just for fun here fellow forum travellers... How would a Ta-152C get on in a Reno Air race? | The plane is pretty clean. Clean it up, and modify/replace the engine to generate 3000 hp (like all a the other racers) and it probably would do just fine. | |
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04-01-2007, 10:51 PM
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04-01-2007, 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by HealzDevo Would it have the manevourability to make it easy to get through the gates at that speed? | I think that aircraft line was noted for being quite maneuverable. | |
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