 | The Ta-152.... The Best High Altitude Fighter?????| Aviation Discuss The Ta-152.... The Best High Altitude Fighter????? in the World War II - Aviation forums; Okay then it would probably go well at Reno, although first you have to find one and my understanding is ... |
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04-04-2007, 01:14 AM
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#256 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | Okay then it would probably go well at Reno, although first you have to find one and my understanding is that they are sort of rare... | 
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04-04-2007, 10:35 AM
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#257 | | Der Crewchief
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04-04-2007, 11:07 AM
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04-04-2007, 11:13 AM
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Country:  | there still is the hope that the techs at the Smithsonian will get W. Loos Grüne 4 H-0 up and running, doubtful but I have hope ....... | |
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04-04-2007, 11:26 AM
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#260 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Lucky13  Probably would cost an obscene amount of $$ to make a flyable exact replica like they have done with the Me 262.... | Dont think so, there is a company here in Germany that is building Fw-190s and soon to be Bf 109s.
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04-04-2007, 11:40 AM
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Country: | Would have been fantastic to see those graceful lines take to the air once again.... Sounds interesting Adler, get yourself a "key ready" 109 or 190... something to have out at the field, while everybody else is puffing around in their Cessna 182's etc. 
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04-07-2007, 04:34 AM
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I remember reading somewhere that in late 1944 Kurt Tank claimed that, while flying a Ta 152H, he was bounced by four P-51 Mustangs during a flight to a meeting at the Focke-Wulf plant in Cottbus. It was mentioned that he had stated that his plane had no ammunition on board, so he had no means whatsoever to fight the enemy. He claimed to have made his escape by engaging the MW 50 boost, opening the throttle wide to attain the aforementioned 755 km/h (472 mph) velocity to escape the pursuing American fighters, and left the four Mustangs floundering behind him. Unfortunately there is no evidence at all to support this account, there is no record of any such encounter in Allied records and Tank's unsupported word remains the only suggestion that it ever took place. What do you fellow forum travellers think about this?
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04-07-2007, 04:39 AM
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#263 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Dr. Tank had no reason to lie, and I personally have no reason to believe that he did...
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04-07-2007, 06:40 AM
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| I don't believe he lied either, and IIRC the P-51 pilots who took chase have even confirmed the incident - I remember something about a USAAF after action report noting the encounter.
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04-07-2007, 07:32 AM
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Country: | I don't believe that he'd lie in any way either. Was the identity ever known of the Ta-152 that he flew in this occasion, was it one of the prototypes or a production machine?
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04-07-2007, 11:16 AM
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Country:  | Well I'm not saying he was lying either. But I disagree that he had no reason for it. Really, what better way to promote your fighter?!  "Yeah, I was flying in the 152 and then I get bounced by the best allied fighter, I just pushed a button and left them coughing up my smoke!".
The story was never confirmed by allied pilots.
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04-07-2007, 12:34 PM
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#267 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Allied pilots wouldnt know what to think... A new aircraft....
At this stage of the game Tank didnt have to impress anyone or sell anything... His designs were at the pinnacle of prop engined craft, and he knew it..
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04-07-2007, 03:20 PM
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04-07-2007, 05:11 PM
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04-07-2007, 06:54 PM
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Allied pilots wouldnt know what to think... A new aircraft....
| Few aircraft have such a distinctive wing as the Ta 152H. It's one you don't easily confuse with another fighter. As the allied pilots often reported new types which later appeared to be misidentifications, I doubt a Fw 190D with ultralong wings would not have been reported. Quote: |
At this stage of the game Tank didnt have to impress anyone or sell anything... His designs were at the pinnacle of prop engined craft, and he knew it..
| Les, until the very end Tank was in a power struggle with other companies (especially Messerschmitt) to get production contracts. Remember that alternatives for the Ta 152 were being developed until the very end: the Bf 109H, the Me 209, the Me 262, the BV 155, ...
Also, one thing led to another. If the Ta 152 was accepted, Tanks next designs would be favoured over others. That's how Messerschmitt built of his supremacy from scratch. From 1938 till 1941 he held the monopoly on fighter aircraft which made him Hitler's favorite, a position he was able to hold until the very end, enabling him to get more resources than any other company and allowing him to work on more designs than any other.
You also claim that Tanks designs were at the pinnacle of prop engined aircraft, yet the Ta 154 was a total failure, one of the worst constructed aircraft in German aviation ever.
But again, I'm not saying Tank was lying. I'm saying two things: it cannot be proven. And second, he would have benefitted from it as the P-51 was considered the plane to beat in 1944.
Kris
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