 | The Ta-152.... The Best High Altitude Fighter?????| Aviation Discuss The Ta-152.... The Best High Altitude Fighter????? in the World War II - Aviation forums; considering alll the 152 H's were grounded for poor design and manufacturing problems
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06-06-2007, 05:06 PM
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considering alll the 152 H's were grounded for poor design and manufacturing problems
the scenery would have been brown dirt, grass and the bottom side of P47 Jabo's zooming overhead  | 
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06-06-2007, 05:12 PM
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| Dream on Jackson.
__________________  We have built a total of about 1250 of this aircraft (Me-262), but only fifty were allowed to be used as fighters - as interceptors. And out of this fifty, there were never more than 25 operational. So we had only a very, very few.
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06-06-2007, 05:17 PM
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06-06-2007, 05:35 PM
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| Davparlr mentions that he's heard they were grounded - I however have seen no evidence of that yet.
Besides I was responding more to your ridiculous remark about the Ta-152H being a poor design, poor design had nothing to with the bugs apparent in some of the Ta-152H's in service - manufacturing conditions on the other hand did. The Ta-152H was a brilliant design and no less, and it scored itself an 11 to 1 kill ratio before wars end.
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Don't rely on the internet as your source of reference, so much false crap has been and is written on it.
__________________ We have built a total of about 1250 of this aircraft (Me-262), but only fifty were allowed to be used as fighters - as interceptors. And out of this fifty, there were never more than 25 operational. So we had only a very, very few.
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06-06-2007, 05:48 PM
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| Dublicating your last post doesn't get you anywhere Jackson.
You're relying entirely on rumors.
__________________ We have built a total of about 1250 of this aircraft (Me-262), but only fifty were allowed to be used as fighters - as interceptors. And out of this fifty, there were never more than 25 operational. So we had only a very, very few.
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Originally Posted by Jackson  | As far as I recall they overcame the early engine fires and Monograms book on the 152 mentions a pilots account of using a 152 after the armistice. Of course this is from one source only, but it seems most of those articles listed in your searck are copies from Wiki.
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06-06-2007, 05:52 PM
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Country:  | Well it says: By the end of April 1945, caused in part to the issues seen in testing and early production and the lack of spare parts, the Luftwaffe eventually grounded all Ta 152 H's, leaving only two Ta 152C's operational.
A lot could have happened before the end of April 1945, right?
I've been thinking to contact todays Luftwaffe to see who they recommend to talk to....
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06-06-2007, 05:54 PM
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Country: | Les, Adler etc. did not have any problem with what is common knowledge. | |
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06-06-2007, 05:55 PM
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Country: | internet? I used to know Rudolf Hess's son ( An F104 pilot) fairly well.
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06-06-2007, 05:56 PM
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Les, Adler etc. did not have any problem with what is common knowledge.
| Wait and see Jackson....
__________________ We have built a total of about 1250 of this aircraft (Me-262), but only fifty were allowed to be used as fighters - as interceptors. And out of this fifty, there were never more than 25 operational. So we had only a very, very few.
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06-06-2007, 05:59 PM
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but I can't find any source in my books and no source in german that say all TA 152H were grounded! The engine Jumo 213 was built 9000 times between the war! There is no Problem with this engine and the TA 152H.
Also I have a source that over 150 TA 152H were built in Cottbus till the end of the War! | |
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06-06-2007, 06:05 PM
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Country: | "In the spring of 1945, Reschke was transferred to the Stab/301, which was equipped with new Ta 152. Flying this machine, Reschke shot down a Tempest piloted by Warrant Officer O.J. Mitchell, of 486 Squadron on 14 April 1945. On 20 April, Reschke was awarded the Knights Cross for his 25 victories. Four days later, five Ta 152s were surrounded in a dogfight with a formation of Yak-9s. Reshcke destroyed two of them, being his two last victories, and losing the group a Ta 152."
"Walter Loos was born on 11 April 1923 at Oppenheim in Rheinhessen. Following flying training he was sent to III./JG 3 in January 1944. He claimed his first aerial victory in the big aerial battle over Berlin on 6 March 1944 claiming a USAAF B-17 Herausschuss. Later he was transferred to IV. Sturmgruppe/JG 3. When Oberst Walter Dahl (129 victories, RK-EL) became Kommodore of JG 300 in July 1944, Loos joined with him to serve on the Geschwaderstab. On 29 September, Loos was awarded the Deutsches Kreuz in Gold. Loos was posted to undertake instructing duties with Ergänzungs-Jagdgruppe Ost in October 1944. He returned to combat duty with JG 301 where he was assigned to the Geschwaderstab. With this unit he flew the Focke-Wulf Ta 152 for the first time at Soltau-Hannover. He gained several successes over Russian fighters around Berlin flying the Ta-152 in the dying days of the war. On 20 April 1945, Walter Loos was awarded the Ritterkreuz for 36 victories. Walter Loos flew 66 combat missions to achieve 38 confirmed victories and 8 unconfirmed. 30 enemy aircraft were claimed on the Western Front, 22 of them four-engined bombers. He himself was shot down nine times."
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06-06-2007, 07:14 PM
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Country:  | well jackson your statement and internet sources for H's being grounded is pure Bull **** I sure do not know why you believe in pulling up short straws without factual evidence, same B.S. stating the Ta 152H via the net and lousy books was produced for popping B-29's; what a joke !
sorry man but that is plain wrong and I dispute it 100 % and that is according to the pilots that flew that crate..........
I can also give you of evidence of C's being stripped from themselves being used for the operating H's and several not just 2 V's used on ops against the soviets..........
guess I am getting a bit peeved but can tell you are all going - to get some real eye opening stuff in your face in about 2 years time if things go well in the publishing realm, monogram book or no. Now enough of these joking myths please ~
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