The Ta-152.... The Best High Altitude Fighter?????

[davparlr]

Originally Posted by Erich

guess I am getting a bit peeved but can tell you are all going - to get some real eye opening stuff in your face in about 2 years time if things go well in the publishing realm, monogram book or no. Now enough of these joking myths please ~

I am afraid that we are going to be stuck with the data we have until they are indeed proven myths. Hopefully, in a couple of years, some enlightenment will occur, one way or another.

[Erich]

the two that I mentioned are and that is proven from Flugbuchs as well as the pilots mouths

yes myths are going to abound and I could even bring some up if I felt like it. no matter some conclusions will be taken within a 2 yr period

[Jackson]

Focke-Wulf Ta152H

Between October 1944 and February 1945 when production ended, Focke-Wulf managed to roll 67 completed Ta 152 aircraft (H-0, H-1, and C-1 models) off the line but these fighters put on a disappointing show. Some aircraft were lost to engine fires while a variety of other engine problems and spares shortages grounded most of the fleet. By April 30, 1945, only two Ta 152C-1s remained operational. The Luftwaffe had grounded all H-models--an ignominious end for combat aircraft with great potential.


(as written by the only people in the world who actually currently OWN a TA-152)

Show me yours and I will drive about 10 minutes away and ask my friend, the docent at the museum, to check his sources..


I will accept the word of someone who actually OWNS one...as being knowledgable as to the aircrafts history.


If you have 'better' sources than the only OWNERS in the world, who may be the worlds premier aircraft historians, let me know. I will have them correct the plaque where the worlds only Ta-152 sits on display.





Yeah, it is an merely 'internet source' as posted by the OWNERS of such an aircraft... I wonder, did any of you even check/read this previously posted link? - and it's source



let it roll...




OVER

[lesofprimus]

According to Mr. Reschke, Loos scored a Yak-9 on 30 April 45 in a 152, and then the Geschwaderstab JG301 moved airfields to Leck and were supposed to turn over their aircraft to JG11, and stayed there till the surrender on May 8th.... There was no grounding of these aircrafts....

[Jackson]

They own a JG 301 TA-152H..the only one in existence.

The people who own one, and restored it said it was sabotaged, wood held together with chewing gum and boogers.. (built by slaves?)

You would have thought taking one apart, piece by piece, they would have learned something. It never flew any high altitude combat, probably for a reason..I gather from what the owners say..It was junk.

But with a one or two billion dollar aircraft collection, the worlds largest, they probably make a few mistakes once in a while.

[Erich]

ok Jackson I have been in contact with NASM and of course friend Jerry Crandall who helped get this hot rod cleaned up and find the original base layer camo underneath the US "fake" one.

so what I hear you saying is that the JG 301 veterans including my cousin are idiots then.............if I hear you correctly you are going to get your butt kicked right off this site. Nasm for your own information does not have the low down on the TA 152H altogether let alone all the info on JG 301 except the veterans that flew the bird. By the way it is NOT restored in full flying condition ........and Grüne 4 did not fly high altitude missions but medium to low. by the way did you see when the article you posted was written-------- ? 6 years ago man, much has been found about this a/c since then.

have you ever read anything on JG 301 and it's operations ? Do you know any of the vets, and I do not mean the US guys trying to re-fabricate an a/c some 60 plus years old

[seesul]

Originally Posted by Erich

am going to ask Will what happened to his DK in gold - pretty well beat up

Hi Erich,

W.R. told me that he had to hide all these decorations at his backyard all the time till 1989 as he lived in East Germany... So maybe weather conditions caused this damage... But anyway, I´ll ask him yet.

Roman

[seesul]

Originally Posted by Erich

am going to ask Will what happened to his DK in gold - pretty well beat up

Erich,

I got it. I just phoned to W.R. and was told that when he got this DK im Gold (April '45) they had no new one for him. So his Geschwaderkomodor got an older DK from somewhere and gave it to W.R....

Roman

[Jackson]

Axis History Forum :: Ta - 152

Erich are you the same guy on this thread?

If so, back in 2003 why didn't you dispute the same points.. which were subsequently raised here on this forum by others.


I am trying to remember where I first heard this, maybe in Rudy Opitzes book, back in 1965, from the RAF Lakenheath or Ramstien library. (Jagd something? Pilot= "Fighter Pilot") or maybe the squadron library of the 55th tfs. Or maybe Hess's son, a '104 jock. Could have been from my grandfather the Spitfire pilot, a Vickers and later Skunkworks engineer. Opitz's book was out of print in the 50' s I believe.


My point... even "newbie" here can have 40+ years with this stuff, or have a great grand father named John Dunne, the inventor of swept wings..

almost 100 years family aviation history - that's years older than this site, we all got family

But heck, I know more about this stuff than my dad, F100-F4-F111, then NASA Houston or my sister @ Boeing.


I could be wrong.. and so could the Smithsonian about this wooden crate.
So.. I disagree.. and even first hand accounts of the same events differ/ often.

[Erich]

Roman thanks for the update on Willi's DK that makes sense............. thumbs up

Jackson in reality and research proves it, 1 Geshwader Stab pilot did make a Mustang kill confirmed. And yes I am the same Erich. I was moderator on that forum and I fell out of disfavour with many posters as mr. E. was disproving myths even by some of the other mods. the forum went down hill and I relinquished my mod responsibilties. Personally the Luftwaffe and A/C sections on that forum are a joke.

I go by my stand on the TA 152H via questions to Willi Reschke through my friend Roman who has seen the answers by the former pilot and who is the representative for all of JG 301

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Jackson

considering alll the 152 H's were grounded for poor design and manufacturing problems

the scenery would have been brown dirt, grass and the bottom side of P47 Jabo's zooming overhead

Thats funny. Several people here are in contact (I am still waiting for a response from him) with Willi Reschke and several other people who flew the Ta 152 right up until the end of the war.

I will believe Reschke and the other pilots who actually flew it before I believe you or the NASM anyday.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Jackson

I will accept the word of someone who actually OWNS one...as being knowledgable as to the aircrafts history.

So basically what you are saying is this:

The men who actually flew the aircraft are worthless for information.

That is what you are saying?

[Lucky13]

I can't believe that Kurt Tank would do something of poor design.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

He didn't.

They were hastily built though and in that process may have had some manufacturing faults because of the lack of materials and so forth near the end of the war but Tank was not an idiot as some people wish for you to believe. He was one of the best designers of aircraft during the war and contributed much to post war.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Jackson

or have a great grand father named John Dunne, the inventor of swept wings..

That is funny where do you come up with that?

The idea of swept wings was developed in Germany in the 1930s. The first person to even bring the idea up was Dr. Adolf Busemann at the Volta Conferrence in 1935. Albert Betz also worked on the idea.

There were several German Jet aircraft that were swept wing designs during WW2 including the Messerschmitt P.1101 which was sent to the US in 1948 to the Bell Aircraft Works. Unfortunatly the aircraft was damaged beyond repair when it fell off of a train. Bell however took the design and components and built the the Bell X-5 out of it.

In case you dont know anything about Busemann he was working on developing swept wing designs for the Germans in the 1930s and 1940s and after the war worked in the US with NACAs Langley Research Center and in the 1960s was a Professor at the U. of Colorado where he came up with the idea for the tiles on the Space Shuttle.