The Ta-152.... The Best High Altitude Fighter?????

[Lucky13]

Just sounded far fetched you know Adler. Just been looking at some of the aircraft that he designed for Argentina and India, nice machines. I'd say he's just as profilic (right word?) as Heinemann, the father of the SBD, Skyraider and the Skyhawk....

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Oh and just wanted to add something here. This goes for all posters in this thread.

We the moderators are getting tired of people becoming insulting to one another in these threads. A good debate is fun but when it gets out of hand with insults it has gone to far.

As stated by another moderator in the Most Overated.... thread this is the only warning.

Instulting posts will warrant infractions. I dont care who starts it it goes for everyone.

Eneogh is eneogh...

[Lucky13]

I don't if I have been insulting to anyone or not...but anyhoo just to make sure, let me be the first to apologize if that would be the case. Sorry.

[Jackson]

anyway, history and personal recolections are funny

and yeas, the shortage of materials and time compression could affect fielding a suitable aircraft..

Does the fact that my sister is a Boeing engineer involed in the ISS and previously the Shuttle give me the right to dismiss out of hand anyones opinions?

no


Or because of my grandfathers in involement in the development of the Spitfire make anything I say more correct than anyone else

no


John Dunne the inventor of swept back wings..

The Historical Burgess-Dunne

HistoryLink Essay: Boeing B-47 Stratojet Bomber -- A Snapshot History

Your German was 30 years late....



doubt it? Mebbe I will PM you my a listing for John Dunn(e) not that far from Palmdale and you can ask my granny, she is 90 +

lol

Despite poor health, however, John Dunne resumed his aeronautical investigations, and by 1904 was ready to progress from the model phase to experiments with gliders and later, powered aircraft. Dunne sought an experienced engineer to assist him in the difficult job of putting theory into practice. His problem was solved when he was assigned in 1905 to the Army Balloon Factory at South Farnborough, England, then under the able leadership of Colonel John Capper. With Capper's guidance and support, Dunne began the design and construction of the the first British military airplane.

Months of tests with model gliders were followed in the spring of 1907 by the first passenger-carrying glider. It was the first of many craft with the distinctive V-shaped wing designed by Dunne, frequently described as an arrowhead minus a shaft.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Jackson

anyway, history and personal recolections are funny

and yeas, the shortage of materials and time compression could affect fielding a suitable aircraft..

Does the fact that my sister is a Boeing engineer involed in the ISS and previously the Shuttle give me the right to dismiss out of hand anyones opinions?

no


Or because of my grandfathers in involement in the development of the Spitfire make anything I say more correct than anyone else

no

Nope but I will stake first hand accounts over what a museum currator or restorer who did not fly the aircraft in 1945 has to say.

Originally Posted by Jackson

John Dunne the inventor of swept back wings..

The Historical Burgess-Dunne

HistoryLink Essay: Boeing B-47 Stratojet Bomber -- A Snapshot History

Your German was 30 years late....



doubt it? Mebbe I will PM you my a listing for John Dunn(e) not that far from Palmdale and you can ask my granny, she is 90 +

lol

Despite poor health, however, John Dunne resumed his aeronautical investigations, and by 1904 was ready to progress from the model phase to experiments with gliders and later, powered aircraft. Dunne sought an experienced engineer to assist him in the difficult job of putting theory into practice. His problem was solved when he was assigned in 1905 to the Army Balloon Factory at South Farnborough, England, then under the able leadership of Colonel John Capper. With Capper's guidance and support, Dunne began the design and construction of the the first British military airplane.

Months of tests with model gliders were followed in the spring of 1907 by the first passenger-carrying glider. It was the first of many craft with the distinctive V-shaped wing designed by Dunne, frequently described as an arrowhead minus a shaft.

Funny every book you read says the first real use and idea came from someone else.

Oh and the German is not mine, so dont make smart ass comments about "Your German"....

You are on very thin ice Jackson.

[Jackson]

and BTW I am a big fan of all the WWI & WWIIgreat planes designers

Including Kelly Johnson, Messerschmitt, Tank etc..

My grandfather and my great grand father

[Jackson]

Early Flying Wings

check the photos..

[Jackson]

my grand father on the other side was Northup & Boeing, dad was Rockwell & Link (after retiring from the Pentagon)

Grandpa also worked in that big building near Rossmore, between Los Alamitos & Seal Beach Ca

[Soren]

Jackson, Dunne understanded squat of what advantages the swepped wing possessed over a straight one, he was just experimenting with different shapes just as all other engineers at the time were doing. The first swepped back wing was designed by Da Vinci, but somehow I don't think he really understood the difference of this over a straight wing

The Germans were the first to widely use and fully understand the advantages of the swepped wing design.

[Jackson]

Great Grandad -he sold many aircraft to the US & British military...That is a little beyond experimenting.


Sweptback wings date to the first decade of the powered airplane. Britain’s John Dunne flew a sweptback wing biplane with inherent stability (the reason he used swept wings) in 1910. The U.S. Army and Navy evaluated his later swept wing designs, as armed warplanes in 1914-1915; the first military services to do so. Interestingly, their 32° wing sweep was nearly the same as the B-47. In the late 1930s, U.S. light planes with 25° sweptback wings were in production.



Like my grandfather, and the wings on the Spit & U2

Oh Please..

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

This will go know where...

[Soren]

Exactly Adler.

Jackson, you're clueless and I advice you to stop before you embarrase yourself any further.

[Erich]

well gents this whole page is OT and should be completely deleted and it just may. get back on the Ta 152H as nothing else from some other persons viewpoint even before the war and after war is going to help understand the subject matter. the point about H's not being in service or grounded by wars end has already been disproved as well as the result of manufacture believing the Ta was designed for B-29 hunting. this is all dark myths perpetuated by those that did not interview JG 301 personell nor even flew or had hands on experience with the Ta during the war, nor the Dora 9 nor the A-8, and A-9 nor the Bf 109G-6, on it goes

question still stands was the Ta 152H the best high alt job.

well it could of been had it been allowed to perform it's function it was designed for " to fly in combat with high alt. Allied a/c like the P-51 Mustang "

[drgondog]

Originally Posted by Erich

well gents this whole page is OT and should be completely deleted and it just may. get back on the Ta 152H as nothing else from some other persons viewpoint even before the war and after war is going to help understand the subject matter. the point about H's not being in service or grounded by wars end has already been disproved as well as the result of manufacture believing the Ta was designed for B-29 hunting. this is all dark myths perpetuated by those that did not interview JG 301 personell nor even flew or had hands on experience with the Ta during the war, nor the Dora 9 nor the A-8, and A-9 nor the Bf 109G-6, on it goes

question still stands was the Ta 152H the best high alt job.

well it could of been had it been allowed to perform it's function it was designed for " to fly in combat with high alt. Allied a/c like the P-51 Mustang "

Simply stated and correct.

For Soren's benefit 'and as a high altitude interceptor, better than a P-51H OR F4U-5, (or Tempest, Spit, P-47, P-38 and maybe than a Meteor or P-80 or Me 262 at the extreme altitudes) - although what would it be intercepting above 45,000 feet?

[Lucky13]

Which was the intended altitude for the Ta 152H-1 to operate?