 | Ta152-H1 uber-fighter?| Aviation Discuss Ta152-H1 uber-fighter? in the World War II - Aviation forums; I'm no expert, but I'm sure I heard that one of the criteria for the E.E Lightning ... |
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01-07-2005, 06:17 PM
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#76 | | Forum Politruk
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Country:  | I'm no expert, but I'm sure I heard that one of the criteria for the E.E Lightning and Vulcan was to make a swift getaway from the airbase before the nuke arrived.
I've seen with my own eyes the button on the Vulcan marked 'rapid start'. Press that, and all four engines start immediately. The idea was that the whole squadron could be airborne and away in under ten minutes. | 
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01-07-2005, 06:32 PM
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Country:  | The same with Lightning. The plane could be in the air in a few seconds. The Lightning doesn't have all the systems on modern planes, RG. It was a most basic design, it didn't need everything to power up to fly. It still used valves for gods sake!
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01-07-2005, 07:32 PM
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| Press a button, flip a switch, the engines are on. Drop flaps, apply trim, open throttle, and you're off!
Simple as that.
Can an F-15 or F-4 do that?
I think not!  | |
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01-07-2005, 10:20 PM
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#79 | | | It may have been faster than "modern" jets. But I have a hard time believing the turbines didn't need at least a minute to get up to temperature before being wound up.
I really suspect that for such a squadron two or even 4 planes were kept warm at all times when on alert.
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01-07-2005, 10:26 PM
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| Ever modern US bomber (B-52, B-1, B-2) have had a similar "bang" switch on the nose gear intended to power up the engines and align the navigational systems to allow a very quick takeoff.
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01-08-2005, 05:12 AM
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Country: | In the QRH two Lightnings were kept but were not warmed up. I can ask my dad about it all since he worked in there. The scramble would be given, the pilot rush out, the technicians strap him in pull away the ladder.
And as GrG quite rightly said "Press a button, flip a switch, the engines are on. Drop flaps, apply trim, open throttle, and you're off!" And was it ever, he'd be hurtling down the runway and bang that nose up vertical. From scramble call it would take a minute to have both Lightnings in the air.
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01-08-2005, 06:13 AM
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#82 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | yes just trust us RG, i've seen a video of a lighning at takeoff, and it DOES accellerate very quickly, and as has been said, goes straight into a vertical climb for several thousand feet, no piston engined aircraft can go from take off to into a vertical climb for 10,000ft and not loose any major ammount of speed...............
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01-08-2005, 08:52 AM
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#83 | | "Shooter"
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Country:  | No piston warbird can do a vertical climb from the ground to 10,000 feet. There might be some aerobatics airplanes have a very light fuselage and might be able to, but no piston powered warbirds could.
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01-08-2005, 11:09 AM
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Country:  | Ill give it a try in the PZL P.11, it takes off a bit quicker than you might think...
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01-08-2005, 12:44 PM
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| It may takeoff quickly. But its rate of climb would be far to slow. I think most likely you would merely stall and crash.
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01-08-2005, 01:06 PM
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#86 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | wouldn't mind giving it a go in a lyslander 
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01-08-2005, 01:40 PM
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| I think you'd reach a similar end in the Lysander. As impressive as its STO capability was, it still lack the power and acceleration to maintain a vertical climb. You might be able to make it to vertical, stall, and still regain flying speed before you crash.
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01-08-2005, 02:21 PM
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#88 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | perhaps you're missing the point, it was british!!!
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01-08-2005, 04:14 PM
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Country: | I could do it in the Wright flyer...
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01-08-2005, 05:14 PM
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| Bollocks, that thing stalls when you try to turn...
Twelve whole horsepower isn't quite enough for a vertical climb...
__________/\... BOOM! (That would be the flight pattern, a long roll, a quick climb, a stall, and a dive resulting in a crash...) | |
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