 | Tactical Strikes of World War II| Aviation Discuss Tactical Strikes of World War II in the World War II - Aviation forums; Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ
YEP!! As I posted earlier, 9th AF A-20s flew several night missions in Feb 1945, ... |
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08-03-2006, 03:46 PM
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#241 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ YEP!! As I posted earlier, 9th AF A-20s flew several night missions in Feb 1945, using B-26's as flare planes, an A-26 for target marking, and the A-20s to bomb the objectives. And this aircraft was supposed to be underperforming?? HA! | Come on guys, give him a break. He is the all knowing being remember!
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08-03-2006, 04:06 PM
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Country:  | I think this all showed that a capable light bomber with a limited bomb load was more than capable of performing precision tactical strikes and the A-20 was probably one og the best of them...
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08-03-2006, 04:55 PM
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#243 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Right syscom???
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08-03-2006, 05:16 PM
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| They were a waste of time and effort (light bombers)
Better to have a fighter bomber or a medium bomber.
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08-03-2006, 05:46 PM
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help yourself.
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08-03-2006, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by syscom3 They were a waste of time and effort (light bombers)
Better to have a fighter bomber or a medium bomber. | Yep tell that to these guys...(see below)
I bet if you were on the Titanic you'd grab snowshoes! 
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08-03-2006, 10:15 PM
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Joe you building up calluses on your finger tips from providing so much information / proof to syscom???
Syscom don't you ever get tired of beating the same dead horse??? Just drop it already. 
God I can't believe syscom that you won't just drop it. Syscom why can't you just say ok PlanD / Joe your are right or at the very least say ok lets agree to disagree. Syscom do you work for a living? How do you spend so much time on this forum arguing about this subject! You have more spare time to spend on this thread than I have to spend doing anything on my computer. You seem to have the life.
Syscom wakes up at 7am signs on to WW2aircraft.net and then spends the next 15 hours typing or thinking what to say on this thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
Ok now I will say sorry to all for my little rant about this thread and subject. I'm going to shove a pen in my eye now so I stop thinking about this thread. At this rate I am going to be totally bald from pulling my hair b/c of reading syscom's posts!!!! 
No offense meant syscom, but my wife is asking you to stop posting on this thread b/c she likes and wants me to keep my hair. Stop already. 
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08-03-2006, 10:19 PM
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"Pilot to copilot..... what are those mountain goats doing up here in the clouds?"
| "Copilot to pilot..... Thats not a goat, its syscom3 looking for a better angle."
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08-04-2006, 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ I think this all showed that a capable light bomber with a limited bomb load was more than capable of performing precision tactical strikes and the A-20 was probably one og the best of them... | Yeap and everyone who knows anything and has done some research and reading about WW2 tactical operations knows that.
Thanks anyhow for all the info that you put.
For me this case is closed, syscom can keep dwelling in his little world of dillusion.
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08-04-2006, 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Hunter please make your siggy smaller. That is way too big. |
Ask and you shall receive.
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08-04-2006, 01:39 AM
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08-06-2006, 06:14 AM
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I have recently received the only full history of the US Ninth Air Force in World War II. The 9th Air Force in World War II by Kenn C. Rust (1967 - Aero Publishers Inc.) I've only read up to the the Ninth operations in the North African desert in support of the British 8th Army.
The story of the U.S Ninth began when twenty-three B-24D Liberators landed in the Middle-East. These planes belonged to Halverson Detachment (CO Col. Harry A. Halverson) which was on it's way to China with the plan to attack Japan from airfields there.
The planes were held-up in the Middle-East by an order to attack the Ploesti oil refineries in Romania, the largest supplier of oil to the Axis war machine. On 11 June thirteen Liberators took off from Fayid, Egypt arriving individually over target at dawn on the 12th. Ten bombers the Astra Romana Refinery at Ploesti, one attacked the port at Constanta and two dropped bombs on other unidentified targets. This was the first mission of planes that would become part of the US Ninth Air Force later in the year.
HALPRO (Codename for Halverson Detachment) was then ordered to stay in the Middle-East as the only force capable of striking the Afrika Korps supply line at it's head. They attacked the supply ships in open sea, and in the ports of Tobruk and Benghazi throughout June.
On 28 June, they attacked motor transport and tanks on the Sollum-Matrah Road. The emergency of the situation was so great, these heavy bombers were at times thrown into the tactical role. On the same day seven B-17E bombers arrived at Fayid, these were from the 9th Bomb Squadron, 7th Bomb Group. The squadron had arrived from the India where it had been fighting the Japanese. The commanding officer, Major-General Lewis H. Brereton, was placed in command of the United States Army Middle-East Air Force (USAMEAF).
Both the B-17s and B-24s joined up starting in July to continue their attacks on the Axis shipping. On the 5th, five more B-17Es arrived from 9th Bomb Squadron and 436th Bomb Squadron. On 20 July, 1942, the heavy bomber forces in the Middle-East were formed into the First Provisional Group based at Lydda, Palestine. This consisted of the Halverson (B-24Ds) and Brereton (B-17Es) squadrons. This group and RAF 160 Squadron (with Liberators) were the only heavy bombers in the theatre.
During July three new groups began moving toward the Middle-East, these were 98th Bomb Group (Heavy), 57th Fighter Group and 12th Bomb Group (Medium) equipped with B-24D, P-40F and B-25C respectively. The first mission by any of these groups was on 1 August, 1942 when seven B-24s from 344th Bomb Squadron (98th BG) attacked Mersa Matruh.
The 98th BG had fully deployed by 20 August, and had brought 34 B-24s to the theatre (35 were sent, but one was lost on route with it's crew).
57th FG arrived in full on 17 August, but had started operations before then. It had brought 72 P-40F Warhawks to the Mid-East, which were mostly brought across aboard USS Ranger.
The 12th BG arrived last, fully forming on 18 August but flew it's first mission on the 16th. This group brought 57 B-25C Mitchells to the Mid-East.
This expansion was just the start of the Ninth Air Force, which was officially named on 12 November, 1942. I will continue the history tomorrow or later, as I have to go. Next - how the RAF taught the AAF in the desert...
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THAT was some funny sh*t man....
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