Tactical Strikes of World War II

[syscom3]

Originally Posted by plan_D

I ain't bothered by him. He's just showing himself up more and more. And it's giving me a cheap laugh.

And jangling keys in front of your face also amuses you too

[syscom3]

Originally Posted by plan_D

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You asked for a medium bomber raid that an effect on the war effort. I just gave you one. And a raid with 113 bombers involved is a small raid compared to the heavy bomber raids that you love so much. That's my point.

I was reffering to small light bomber raid. And the 8th AF list shows about the same numbers of heavy bombers would attack an airfield as this raid.

I never said you would disagree. You said your sources agree with my numbers. What are your sources!? Where are the sorties that you have information on? You haven't provided them. You haven't even provided the Ninth Air Force sorties for 1944 which you said you would.

Why do you even bother when you haven't even got any evidence to produce? No sorties? No sources?

I'm still searching around for them.

Is that why a dozen Ju-88 carrying a single 1,000 lb bomb each, knocked the operation of Biggin Hill down to a squadron rather than a wing. No one ever thought that they could knock out an airfield for good, but they hamper the operations.

I can interpret that to the RAF being totally unprepared for the attack. And I bet it was the last time something like that happened.

And fighter-bombers carry less of a payload than light bombers. You made the original argument against the payloads, not the aircraft involved.

You overlook the fact that fighter bombers are also fighters, and are cheaper to build and use than light bombers. Plus they frequently bombed things "on the fly", or directed by the ground troops to where to attack. Plus they could strafe things on the way home, blah, blah blah. Light bombers couldnt do that, thats why they were a waste.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by syscom3

And jangling keys in front of your face also amuses you too

But at the same time that was funny too.

[k9kiwi]

Thanks for the great laughs.

Albert Speer (heard of him SysCon) stated that over 700,000 able bodied men were involved in manning anti aircraft batteries throughout Europe, from 20mm upwards in 1944

Also stated was that over 300,000 were involved in repairing infrastructure from damage of all types from air strikes.

Further, that 20,000 (one third of all production) of the 88mm cannon was involved in anti aircraft defence, when they would have been better employed in the anti tank role on the russian front.

So 20,000 88mm, over 1,000,000 combat capable men are negated from the OOB for the German army.

Let alone the number of 20mm Vierling and 37mm guns needed to defend against low level, Both of which the Germans had a great penchance for using in the ground role against troops etc.

Also, raids by medium bombers served as double edged swords, sending 12 different raiding strikes against different locations at the same time as your bomber streams are reaching for 2 or 3 main targets has a slight dispersal effect upon the enemies resources.

If you now configure things with window strips, ECM etc so that the effect is to confuse or delay the realisation by ground control of where the main strike is to occur, you further weaken the defenders chances.

If you time strikes against a number of airfields while the planes are up in the air, and destroy their capacity to handle aircraft for, oh lets say 4 hours, Where do the aircraft land?

(They could stay up their only so long)

If they now have to fly 150 miles to the nearest airfield, how much is their combat time and effectiveness reduced?

Now you have repaired the holes in the dirt in 4 hours, but we have a little problem, the piddly little 1,000 pound bomb just took out or POL resources, and that tiny 500 pounder nailed the armoury.

The other one didn't cause structural damage to the airfield, but we sure are going to miss those mechanics that were in that bunker (read BIG HOLE) cause we need to fix the planes.

Also we are having a slight problem because of the 12 RAF planes that sneaked in and made a small mess at the local power station, so we are running limited resources on local generators.

Starting to get the picture. If you take a more "Holistic" view, every strike was tacticaly and Strategicaly important for the domino effect to occur.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Very good post K9Kiwi but it will do no good, syscom is stubborn and will not admit that he is wrong.

[k9kiwi]

Cheers for the advice, after 9 pages I had kind of figured that.

I merely posted this to see what sort of response it gets.

As an Ex RNZAF Military Police Dog Handler, I am used to dealing with stubborn beasts.

[lesofprimus]

LMFAO, and with that, kiwi has hit the nail on the head...

You should take a read on the Beer thread kiwi...

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Oh boy that thread was painful!

[k9kiwi]

Good Eavens!

Did someone say BEER.

I am on the way.

[lesofprimus]

We sat there for days trying to convince sys that real beer wasnt spelled BUD and didnt taste like piss...

But alas to no avail...

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/pol...highlight=beer

[lesofprimus]

Upon a little researching, I found syscoms first post.... Was he just posturing over the Budweiser to get our panties in a bunch???

One has to wonder....

10-11-2005, 10:37 AM #7
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[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

[syscom3]

Originally Posted by k9kiwi

Thanks for the great laughs.

Albert Speer (heard of him SysCon) stated that over 700,000 able bodied men were involved in manning anti aircraft batteries throughout Europe, from 20mm upwards in 1944

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If you time strikes against a number of airfields while the planes are up in the air, and destroy their capacity to handle aircraft for, oh lets say 4 hours, Where do the aircraft land?

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Youre mixing up the large strategic bombing raids witht he smaller tactical raids

[syscom3]

Originally Posted by lesofprimus

Upon a little researching, I found syscoms first post.... Was he just posturing over the Budweiser to get our panties in a bunch???

One has to wonder....

I can find budweiser anywhere in the world.

[k9kiwi]

Youre mixing up the large strategic bombing raids witht he smaller tactical raids

Well done Rocket Scientist.

Thats what the Allies did too.

PS. Apparently it worked, as Les' replies are in ENGLISH.