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02-05-2005, 05:02 AM
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#151 | | Master of Ewes
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02-05-2005, 05:10 AM
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Country:  | Nice shot, but heres a better one! 
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02-05-2005, 05:29 AM
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#153 | | Master of Ewes
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02-05-2005, 05:55 AM
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02-08-2005, 12:12 AM
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| There is an other things in discussion of best setup we should talk about. Its about where to place those guns best on the plane. Big gun placed on the wing would surely decrease the fligtstability and reduce accuracy when firing those weapons. To have A good stable and accuracy gun-platform wouldn't the best place to have it close to the gravitycentern on the plane. The Henscel Hs 129 carried a 75 mm gun and its a weary big gun for this small plane to carry. wasn't tank-fully that it could carry that gun because it is mounted weary close to the center? | |
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02-08-2005, 06:08 PM
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Country:  | I think that the best place was in the centreline of the aircraft, for example between the cilinders banks in V-12 engine fighters.
Is curious to note that the russians technicians were able to fit the powerful Ns-37 de 37x195mm in relative small planes, like the Lagg-3IT and the Yak-9T, but the germans could not do that with the MK-103 a smaller gun in his front line figther , the Bf-109. | |
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02-15-2005, 12:23 PM
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#157 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | but the -109 was tiny!! there wasn't any room inside!!
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02-15-2005, 05:18 PM
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Country: | Or this, it's not a tank busting armament...but I bet it could rip up tanks if it wanted to!
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02-15-2005, 05:21 PM
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#159 | | the old Sage
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Country:  | tanks no but soft skinned vehicles like MT by using a mix of AP and HE. what a mess............this is what Ju 87D-5's used on the Ost front for example
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02-15-2005, 05:49 PM
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Country: | The Lagg-3 was also tiny. 
Few aircraft actually placed the powerful MK-103 between the V-12 cilinders. One was the plane of the image above the Tank Ta-152C, other the Do-335, and...I think we must stop counting.
Anyway the russian 37 mm was a superior weapon. 
LaGG-3-37 "White 75"
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02-15-2005, 07:22 PM
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02-15-2005, 08:03 PM
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02-16-2005, 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by lesofprimus Unfortunatly (or fortunatly), not very many aircraft could carry the Mk103 on the wing......
The only one i know off the top of my head was the Fw 190A8/R3 and the Fw 190F3/R3, both of which carried them in under-wing gondolas.... | These proved unsuccessful and very few were fielded, and all were converted to some other configuration fairly quickly. The gun just had too much recoil.
I agree the MK103 firing AP ammo could defeat almost any tank (possible exception - JS-II/III).
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02-16-2005, 03:29 AM
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Country: | It could most likely defeat the IS-2 as well, it's top armour wasn't anything to go nuts about. I don't know about the IS-3 because the 'frying pan' turret was a well protected shape, but that never saw service.
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02-16-2005, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by plan_D It could most likely defeat the IS-2 as well, it's top armour wasn't anything to go nuts about. I don't know about the IS-3 because the 'frying pan' turret was a well protected shape, but that never saw service. | Top armor on the IS-2 was 30mm and of excellent quality. Given a reasonable angle of attack of about 30 degrees or less (0 degrees being perpendicular) this was enough to stop the MK103. The 190 could not dive steeper than this in such an attack, 30 degrees is quite generous.
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