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02-28-2005, 09:20 PM
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Country: | I can agree with the Napalm, and Mosquitoman,you have an interesting order of battle
As for the heavies going after moble units, if they are still in the yards or in fixed works go at it. Question for you al, what about useing Napalm from a B-24 or other heavie 
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03-02-2005, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MP-Willow I can agree with the Napalm, and Mosquitoman,you have an interesting order of battle
As for the heavies going after moble units, if they are still in the yards or in fixed works go at it. Question for you al, what about useing Napalm from a B-24 or other heavie  | Lots of napalm was included as "incendiaries" dropped during city attacks in 1944 and 1945 on targets such as Dresden. Bomber command was fond of napalm.
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Country: | The most common form of incendairy charge is Thermit which is used extensively nowdays for welding rail track and it gets pretty warm Ive seen a shovel melted through in less than half a second
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03-03-2005, 03:20 PM
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03-03-2005, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by trackend The most common form of incendairy charge is Thermit which is used extensively nowdays for welding rail track and it gets pretty warm Ive seen a shovel melted through in less than half a second | "Thermite" is a mixture of 8 parts iron-oxide and 3 parts alluminum, both in powedered form. It is hard to ignite and this is usually accomplished using a welding torch or using a magesium casing (for military useages such as grenades) which is ignited to provide the necessary heat.
In civilian usage, thermite is useful for some welding applications (often for repairs, especially underwater), as it provides the necessary heat and the burning produces very pure iron as a byproduct which if properly setup can fill in the weld.
However, in military useage, it is mostly used to destroy enemy equipment or your own equipment if it must be abandon. When a thermite grenade is placed on the works of a steel peice of equipment, it not only damages it by melting part of it but it also fills the works with molten iron.
For bombs however, most incendiaries are either napalm like, or they are a mixture of alluminum and magnesium and an oxidizer (like barium nitrate), usually in powder form using some kind of wax (often lard in WWII) as a binding agent.
Before napalm, large containgers of oil/lard with small amounts of incendiary metal ingiters were used. The Germans used a magesium/aluminum casingl filled with oil/lard in the firebombing of British cities. Once napalm was developed, it was the favored type of incendiary for city bombing, especially by the RAF.
I'm not sure of this, but I think one advantage was the empty bomb casing could be loaded and then the napalm mixture pumped into the casing in place in the plane, making the loading easier.
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03-03-2005, 04:05 PM
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Country: | hi fellas (Lanc) Thermite welding is still used as the standard method for CWR (continuous welded rail) exspansion joints are used to allow for rail temperature variations
(RG) As far as the constuction of bombs I was refering to the standard german variaty of ww2 device that was used in the blitz ect.
B2.2EZ Incendiary CONSTRUCTION:
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03-03-2005, 04:17 PM
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#222 | | | Trackend,
Yes that kind of incendiary was used in the blitz. However the Germans also used a lot of "oil bombs", which is nothing more than a can of oil/lard (used) with an ingniter. These were usually fitted in a standard 250 or 500 kg bomb case and usually used an HE charge for ignition. They were not very reliable, often failing to ignite the oil, and were withdrawn after a while. They were called "FLAM" or "FLAMMENBOMBEN" or something like that.
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After reading I remember reading eltswhere that the USAAC used Napalm over Japan. It was mixed with small bombs to help spread the flames and create the fire storms.
Did the RAF use this sytem over Germany? Also were cities outside of Japan, Germany, China, and England fire bombed? Or is that question for another topic?
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Country: | I agree RG that they used oil bombs infact one was dropped in my old home town of Brentwood as you say they where not very reliable this one failed to explode landing on a crossroads but it made one heck of a mess with vehicles and people sliding all over the place before it was cleared up however for every one oil bomb dropped the number of incenderies like the b2.2ez where vast, containers full of them with mixed H.E to follow thus spreading the inferno even further.
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03-03-2005, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by MP-Willow Well now are we all ready to go burn and pillage
After reading I remember reading eltswhere that the USAAC used Napalm over Japan. It was mixed with small bombs to help spread the flames and create the fire storms.
Did the RAF use this sytem over Germany? Also were cities outside of Japan, Germany, China, and England fire bombed? Or is that question for another topic? | The RAF developed the system against Germany. I think Russia was also firebombed some too - but not as much as they didn't have as many fire-vulnerable cities. Firebombing works best against large dense cities, and to be effective you need to have a fair number of bombers so the firefighters of the target are totally overwhelmed.
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