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On picture #1.... I don't know if I can't see very well those details, picture is a ... |
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06-24-2005, 02:21 PM
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On picture #1.... I don't know if I can't see very well those details, picture is a little bit dark, but I noticed that the aircraft doesn't look like a G-5 nor a G-6. Pay attention to the cowling that is visible... It looks like a K or late G series (G-10?). Am I right? | 
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06-24-2005, 02:27 PM
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#17 | | the old Sage
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Country:  | Hey it is a G-5/AS, as this photo is in my collection and has been reproduced in several books. The same a/c is in the lower photo anf Frappes work on the Normandie battles is the authoratitive acct of all French based Luftw. JG's during those months of 44
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06-24-2005, 02:33 PM
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06-24-2005, 02:36 PM
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#19 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | How can you tell it is a G-5. The only difference between a G-5 and a G-6 is that it was pressurized and the position of the air compressor was on the right instead of the left.
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06-24-2005, 02:38 PM
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#20 | | the old Sage
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Country: | I see why you might think it is an G-10 but it is not. Although the Bueles are not in place giving the look of the AS complement, there were no G-10's till September-November of 44 in any air defence unit. My siggy shows a II./JG 3 G-14. Had it been an AS you would not see the bulge. Well you probably already know these things as it is obvious..........
will look forward to find more ion I./JG 5 next week as inforamtion is coming to me. It will be covered enmasse from Eric Mombeeks JG 5 book volume 3 coming later this fall or winter 2006.
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06-24-2005, 02:43 PM
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#21 | | Der Crewchief
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06-24-2005, 02:54 PM
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06-24-2005, 02:55 PM
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#23 | | the old Sage
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Country: | simple answer Theo was given one to fly. The G-6/AS was limited in Normandie to the units for the main reason. I./JG 3 had them as I have full on interviews from pilot and friend Horst Petzschler. Few G-5's made the units but Stab I./JG 5 under Theo's leadership did.
The G-5/AS units were pretty rare with maybe only 20-25 produced out of the supposed 176. By the way the a/c shows a double chevron the second part cannot be seen in the pic which is dark from Frappes work. Two better pics of Theo and the a/c are from Jean Yves Lorant in Dr. Jochen Prein/Peter Rodeikes premier Bf 109 F-K series
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06-24-2005, 02:56 PM
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#24 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | That is what I am looking at. I thought the G-5 or G-6 had the smaller more profound bulge not the larger more sleak one.
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06-24-2005, 03:02 PM
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Country: | Yes, I have that confusion.... the round bulge should be seen, but I can't see any G-6 bulge. Maybe I am wrong. | |
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06-24-2005, 03:03 PM
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#26 | | the old Sage
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Country: | yes it is not the Buele of the typcial G-6 series if you look. The angled arched plate is a photo indication of the AS and 605D engines. As I just said the present piocs from JY Lorant shows this to be true.
The bulge on the G-5, G-6, G-14 was for the mg 131's. The more streamlined engine cowling was large enough to house the newer more powerful AS type engines pl;us the addition of the enlarged oil cooler...
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Originally Posted by Erich yes it is not the Buele of the typcial G-6 series if you look. The angled arched plate is a photo indication of the AS and 605D engines. As I just said the present piocs from JY Lorant shows this to be true.
The bulge on the G-5, G-6, G-14 was for the mg 131's. The more streamlined engine cowling was large enough to house the newer more powerful AS type engines pl;us the addition of the enlarged oil cooler... | Thanks for explaining Erich. Now we have the following:
1- I./JG5 were equipped with Bf109G-5/AS by June-July 44
2- Theo's aircraft wore "double chevron"
3- Those Bf109G-5/AS had 605D engines
4- Possibly scheme was the typical 74/75/76.
What about emblem? werk number? large tail? | |
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06-24-2005, 03:22 PM
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#28 | | the old Sage
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Country: | all good questions. do not think by the one pic of the front of his a/c that it had a I. gruppe emblem or even a personal one at that. Will ask around if there is a werke nummer associated with his G-5/AS and if it had a tall tail. not thinking that it did though.... this started with the G-6/AS but not the whole series
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06-24-2005, 03:44 PM
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Country: | I don't believe it carried personal emblem, but maybe I./JG5 emblem. I can't see much at all on picture #2 because of the propeller. | |
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06-25-2005, 09:45 AM
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#30 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Erich yes it is not the Buele of the typcial G-6 series if you look. The angled arched plate is a photo indication of the AS and 605D engines. As I just said the present piocs from JY Lorant shows this to be true.
The bulge on the G-5, G-6, G-14 was for the mg 131's. The more streamlined engine cowling was large enough to house the newer more powerful AS type engines pl;us the addition of the enlarged oil cooler... | Aha thanks for the clarrification.
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