 | Wasn't the STUKA the best dive bomber to see service in WWII| Aviation Discuss Wasn't the STUKA the best dive bomber to see service in WWII in the World War II - Aviation forums; Im off out for a beer, I think I might have a wrathful Lanc on my case soon too (been ... |
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04-13-2005, 01:37 PM
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#31 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | Im off out for a beer, I think I might have a wrathful Lanc on my case soon too (been knocing Avro again!), so I'll retire now while I still can! 
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04-13-2005, 02:07 PM
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#32 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by BombTaxi True, as did the TBD. But they werent dive bombers  And , I still think that the SBDs role in destroying the IJN as a fighting force was greater than the Stukas part in winning the Blitzkreig...although I suppose that is another thread | DOUGLAS SBD DAUNTLESS - WORLD'S LARGEST DISTRIBUTOR OF USED JAPANESE AIRCRAFT CARRIER PARTS!  | |
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04-13-2005, 02:16 PM
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#33 | | the old Sage
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Country: | CC that is quite incorrect the Stuka did quite well with no air superiority and I have covered that fully in it's night time role. funny during Kursk the D's and the new G's made mince meat out of the Soviet armor columns and in almost all cases was no Luftwaffe air cover as the fighters had homed in on Il-2's and other Soviet fighter junk heaps.....
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04-13-2005, 06:19 PM
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Country: | Yes, but were there any Soviet fighters around?
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04-14-2005, 09:57 AM
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Country: | The Soviets managed localised air superiority in most operations from mid-1944 onwards through sheer weight of numbers, and the transfer of german fighters to DOTR and NW Europe
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04-14-2005, 01:29 PM
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#36 | | Master of Ewes
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04-14-2005, 01:36 PM
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04-14-2005, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass ah yes BT, i read you're little dig at a cirtain avro bomber......... | The lanc was certainly a good a/c. But in terms of the overblown reputation we were discussing in that thread, the lanc is one of the worst
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04-14-2005, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mosquitoman Two words: Grand Slam | One sentence: How many targets could they find that were worth a ten-ton bomb? Just cos it's big don't make it useful
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04-14-2005, 03:20 PM
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04-14-2005, 03:29 PM
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Country: | I thought the U-Boat pens weren't Grand Slammed? I gather it was fairly rarely used?
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04-14-2005, 04:18 PM
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#43 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | only 41 were ever dropped in anger, all by B.MK.I (specails) of 617 Sqn, and yes, they were used with great sucess against uboat pens, they cut through 20ft of re-inforced concrete then a further 75ft into the ground like a hot knife through butter, despite reduced ceiling and defensive armourment, not a single "grand slam lanc" was lost through enemy action..............
and it's very hard to exaggerate the role of the lanc over europe in WWII, whilst the halibag was a very good bomber, she could not stand up against a lancaster, "bomber" harris cliamed the lanc was the largest single factor in winning the war against germany................
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04-15-2005, 01:24 AM
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Country:  | But Harris was bound to say that Lanc wasn't he as his doctrine was the war could be won by bombers and it was the main stay bomber at his disposal.
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04-15-2005, 12:20 PM
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#45 | | Master of Ewes
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