Weight and amount of ammo - Aircraft of World War II

HerzAs · 06-24-2008, 08:07 AM

Hi,

First of all excuse my English

While flying a Me262 in "IL2 1946" two (silly) questions crossed my mind.
The Me262A-1 is carrying 360 rounds (2x100, 2x80) with an individual weigth of almost 0,5kg.
That's almost 180kg of ammunition

So here are the Questions:

1.) What's the highest weight of ammunition that a fighter was carrying in WWII?
2.) What's the highest amount of ammunition that a fighter was carrying in WWII?

Please just single-seaters who did see action in WWII, no gunpods and no other ordonance.
Just the ammunition of the guns/cannons.
I know there are different kinds of ammunition with different weight used for each guntype so maybe you can tell a possible difference in weight (i.e. "between 65kg and 75kg").

Thanks!

A curious HerzAs

HoHun · 06-24-2008, 06:33 PM

Hi Herzas,

Well, not exactly what you were asking for, but here is a weight breakdown of various guns from an analysis I did a while back (based on data from Tony Williams' website, some RLM data sheets, and a couple of weight sheets for Allied fighters).

The analysis is for a single weapon of each type, along with the amount of ammunition required to generate the same total muzzle energy (kinetic plus chemical). The ammunition mass listed includes the weight of the belt links or, in the case of the MG FF, of the drums required to store the ammunition:

MK 108 (60 kg), 130 rounds (585 g each, 76 kg total), 1770% firepower
MK 213/30 (75 kg), 130 rounds (572 g each, 75 kg total), 3370% firepower
MG 151/20 (MX) (42 kg), 560 rounds (213,7 g each, 120 kg total), 490% firepower
MG 151/20 (42 kg), 620 rounds (213,7 g each, 132 kg total), 450% firepower
Hispano V (42 kg), 637 rounds (246 g each, 157 kg total), 430% firepower
Hispano II (50 kg), 617 rounds (246 g each, 152 kg total), 370% firepower
MK 213/20 (75 kg), 407 rounds (390 g each, 159 kg total), 1130% firepower
MK 103 (141 kg), 112 rounds (920 g each, 103 kg total), 1440% firepower
MG-FF (28 kg), 672 rounds (338,3 g each, 227 kg total), 270% firepower
,50 Browning M2 (29 kg), 3000 rounds (110 g each, 330 kg total), 100% firepower
MG 151 (42 kg), 1791 rounds (182,2 g each, 326 kg total), 150% firepower
MG 131 (17 kg), 4665 rounds (78 g each, 364 kg total), 70% firepower
MG 17 (12 kg), 15225 rounds (29,2 g each, 445 kg total), 30% firepower
Browning ,303 (10 kg), 14969 rounds (30 g each, 449 kg total), 30% firepower

Sorting is by total weight, descending. (I just did some mental arithmetics while sorting them manually - better cross-check, I might have screwed up somewhere :-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

mad_max · 06-25-2008, 01:01 AM

The P-51Dhad this on board including the links.

1880 rnds - 627 lbs or 285 kg

The P-47 would have more.

FWIW

Krabat42 · 06-25-2008, 10:02 AM

This would make ca. 515 kg for the P-47 with the full 8 * 425 rounds. Standard was 8 * 267 which would make 324 kg. Correct?

Krabat

renrich · 06-25-2008, 10:09 AM

The P47 could carry as many as 425 rounds per gun. There were 8 guns and I believe the weight would amount to 664 pounds.

06-24-2008, 08:07 AM	#1
HerzAs Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3	Weight and amount of ammo Hi, First of all excuse my English While flying a Me262 in "IL2 1946" two (silly) questions crossed my mind. The Me262A-1 is carrying 360 rounds (2x100, 2x80) with an individual weigth of almost 0,5kg. That's almost 180kg of ammunition So here are the Questions: 1.) What's the highest weight of ammunition that a fighter was carrying in WWII? 2.) What's the highest amount of ammunition that a fighter was carrying in WWII? Please just single-seaters who did see action in WWII, no gunpods and no other ordonance. Just the ammunition of the guns/cannons. I know there are different kinds of ammunition with different weight used for each guntype so maybe you can tell a possible difference in weight (i.e. "between 65kg and 75kg"). Thanks! A curious HerzAs

06-25-2008, 10:02 AM	#4
Krabat42 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Munich Posts: 305	This would make ca. 515 kg for the P-47 with the full 8 * 425 rounds. Standard was 8 * 267 which would make 324 kg. Correct? Krabat __________________ "The way they wrap themselves in the flag and pretend to be the inheritors of a grand democratic tradition. While they're really alchemists, turning public trust into gold." ("Civil Disobedience", Joe Haldeman)

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06-24-2008, 06:33 PM	#2
HoHun Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,765	Hi Herzas, Well, not exactly what you were asking for, but here is a weight breakdown of various guns from an analysis I did a while back (based on data from Tony Williams' website, some RLM data sheets, and a couple of weight sheets for Allied fighters). The analysis is for a single weapon of each type, along with the amount of ammunition required to generate the same total muzzle energy (kinetic plus chemical). The ammunition mass listed includes the weight of the belt links or, in the case of the MG FF, of the drums required to store the ammunition: MK 108 (60 kg), 130 rounds (585 g each, 76 kg total), 1770% firepower MK 213/30 (75 kg), 130 rounds (572 g each, 75 kg total), 3370% firepower MG 151/20 (MX) (42 kg), 560 rounds (213,7 g each, 120 kg total), 490% firepower MG 151/20 (42 kg), 620 rounds (213,7 g each, 132 kg total), 450% firepower Hispano V (42 kg), 637 rounds (246 g each, 157 kg total), 430% firepower Hispano II (50 kg), 617 rounds (246 g each, 152 kg total), 370% firepower MK 213/20 (75 kg), 407 rounds (390 g each, 159 kg total), 1130% firepower MK 103 (141 kg), 112 rounds (920 g each, 103 kg total), 1440% firepower MG-FF (28 kg), 672 rounds (338,3 g each, 227 kg total), 270% firepower ,50 Browning M2 (29 kg), 3000 rounds (110 g each, 330 kg total), 100% firepower MG 151 (42 kg), 1791 rounds (182,2 g each, 326 kg total), 150% firepower MG 131 (17 kg), 4665 rounds (78 g each, 364 kg total), 70% firepower MG 17 (12 kg), 15225 rounds (29,2 g each, 445 kg total), 30% firepower Browning ,303 (10 kg), 14969 rounds (30 g each, 449 kg total), 30% firepower Sorting is by total weight, descending. (I just did some mental arithmetics while sorting them manually - better cross-check, I might have screwed up somewhere :-) Regards, Henning (HoHun)

06-25-2008, 01:01 AM	#3
mad_max Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 110	The P-51Dhad this on board including the links. 1880 rnds - 627 lbs or 285 kg The P-47 would have more. FWIW

06-25-2008, 10:09 AM	#5
renrich Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montrose, Colorado Posts: 3,271	The P47 could carry as many as 425 rounds per gun. There were 8 guns and I believe the weight would amount to 664 pounds.