 | What aircraft (any side) would you develope further| Aviation Discuss What aircraft (any side) would you develope further in the World War II - Aviation forums; I have to agree with Del on this - I knew guys who helped design the A-10 and that was ... |
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12-17-2005, 11:56 AM
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#31 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country:  | I have to agree with Del on this - I knew guys who helped design the A-10 and that was a problem faced with it's gun.
I know everyone's see gun camera footage, sometimes you see the camera shake as the guns are being fired. I've heard from 2 former fighter pilots (they flew P-51s and F-86s) that when the guns are fired, everything shakes. An old friend of mine who flew in Korea told me that when he went to gunnery training it took him a long time to get used to the airframe shaking as the guns were fired, he said he could barely aim. I've recently read the same thing about guys flying P-39s and firing the cannon, one of them stated he could swear the plane moved backwards!! (an exaggeration of course)
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12-17-2005, 04:50 PM
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| My uncle once told me that the B-25H 75mm cannon model would not only lose substantial speed when the gun was fired, but sometimes it took as little as 18 missions before a plane might have to be sent back to have a substantial number of rivets/components tightened or replaced.
I've read numerous accounts of inop guns on one side causing a significant slew to the aircraft when the good guns are fired. Even 1 .50 made a considerable difference even in a Thunderbolt.
Recoil is a substantial consideration when mounting a gun on an aircraft.
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12-17-2005, 05:57 PM
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| The Heinkel He 178 and Gloster E28/39 are intruging.
Scale them up ( longer, wider fuselages for more fuel, add droptanks for acceptable range and larger wing area, nosewheel for the Heinkel/Ohain and teardrop canopies), the P 80 showed that straight laminar flow wings were acceptable in 1945 et voila!
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12-17-2005, 06:54 PM
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12-18-2005, 12:26 AM
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| This is sort of a side question. What do those yellow boxes you guys have under your names signify?
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12-18-2005, 04:15 AM
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looks like hussars picked up his second last night!
and remember p-38, if you rush a plane into service insted of developing it further it's gonna be a desaster, a P-80 in service in '44 would be nothing like the P-80 in '45...........
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12-18-2005, 08:56 AM
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#39 | | Der Crewchief
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Anyway I would develop the Whirlwind more as well as the MB-5. It would of been interesting to see some of the flying wings that were being designed seeing some service, like the Horten Go 229 for Germany and the flying pancake for the USA. Further development into the early jets I would of done as well to get them in service earlier than they were. Some of the developments to the Spitfire (I think it was Jabberwocky) mentioned I would of done as well, to create a more capable aircraft. The are probably others but I will need to look around and find some more things I think could of done with further development.
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12-18-2005, 12:34 PM
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Country: | How about the B-35 and Later the B-49. If the war would of laster a few more years I'm sure these would of been further developed.
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12-18-2005, 01:51 PM
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#43 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Agreed Gnomey, I would have loved to have seen the Ho-229 and the Flying Pancake see some service. That would have been almost futuristic like.
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet What did you get another yellow card for Hussars? | Well lets just say that
I say things the way I see them and some people here dont like that. But its no big deal Im used to it.
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12-18-2005, 08:05 PM
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#45 | | Der Crewchief
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