 | WHAT "DUD" WOULD YOU FLY?| Aviation Discuss WHAT "DUD" WOULD YOU FLY? in the World War II - Aviation forums; Fairy Battle. Slow, easy to fly so its not tiring, decent range so I can go in the other direction, ... |
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11-19-2007, 03:41 AM
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| Fairy Battle. Slow, easy to fly so its not tiring, decent range so I can go in the other direction, easy to land in out of the way fields, space for the girlfriend and a picnic.
What else would you need? | 
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11-19-2007, 04:28 AM
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11-19-2007, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ  We always talk about how good a fighter or bomber is, but what if you're stuck flying a "Dud?" For example, if I was a relatively new pilot I wouldn't be too happy flying the following in WW2....
P-40
P-39
Fairey Battle
Brewster Buffalo
Curtiss CW-21B
Douglas Devestator
Breda Ba.65
MiG-1
If you had to fly a "dud" which would you choose?  | Joe - P-40 an easy choice for me in potential survivability with the P-39 next. The P-40 was inferior to contemporary Me 109 and Fw 190 (and Zero) but kinda held it's own as pilots got more combat experience | 
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11-19-2007, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by drgondog Joe - P-40 an easy choice for me in potential survivability with the P-39 next. The P-40 was inferior to contemporary Me 109 and Fw 190 (and Zero) but kinda held it's own as pilots got more combat experience | Oh agree 100% Bill - my point of the thread way back when was suppose it was late 1944 and you were a new fighter pilot ready to shoot down whatever in a new P-51 - then you find yourself flying P-40s for whatever reason. Or you're on your way to New Guinea and you're ready to get in a P-38 squadron and then suddenly you're flying P-39s....
Then again you could be a wanne-be Spitfire pilot and find yourself in a Battle or Defiant - Oh the disappointment! 
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11-19-2007, 10:59 AM
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11-19-2007, 11:05 AM
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Country: | Both the 40 and the 39 were solid aircraft when the right tactics were employed...
I'd go for the P39 just for the nose cannon and "car doors".
Chuck Yeager said that firing the cannon was like "lobbing grapefruits".
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11-19-2007, 11:26 AM
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11-19-2007, 11:50 AM
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Country:  | The Defiant was a fine flying aircraft but not when Bf 109s were about.
I would hate to call the P-40 a dud but I would go for that...They were still flying Hurricanes in 1944 so can I have one of them instead? | |
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11-19-2007, 11:01 PM
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Country:  | I suppose alot of people class the Vengeance as a dud (not me!!) so I'll take one of those. 
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11-19-2007, 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ We always talk about how good a fighter or bomber is, but what if you're stuck flying a "Dud?" For example, if I was a relatively new pilot I wouldn't be too happy flying the following in WW2....
P-40
P-39
Fairey Battle
Brewster Buffalo
Curtiss CW-21B
Douglas Devestator
Breda Ba.65
MiG-1
If you had to fly a "dud" which would you choose? | Are you sure the P-39 & P-40 aren't too good to be on the "dud" list? Its hard to pick the best of a bad lot, because if its the best maybe its not a dud...
Perhaps this should be "what plane would you LEAST like to be in battle with?"
Speaking of Battle's I think it and the Devastator would be the worst. At least with the P-39 & P-40 you had a chance to survive. And the Battle's flew the first "suicide missions" in the war.
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11-20-2007, 12:15 AM
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is my choice 
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11-20-2007, 01:25 AM
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11-20-2007, 12:54 PM
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11-23-2007, 02:26 PM
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Country: | Between P-39 and P-40, the P-39 had a much higher fatal accident rate in USAAF service. 47 per 100k flying hours v 17. See this page from USAAF stats digest, though you have to do a little arithmetic to get those numbers: Army Air Forces in World War II
Otherwise, the armaments of the planes were different but basic performance was very similar for models with V-1710's, so the likes and dislikes (USAAF like the P-40 better, mainly for its successes in China, the Soviets liked the P-39 better) are probably mainly subjective.
On the list I also don't know why P-39 and P-40 are dud if Hurricane, MS406. Mc202 etc etc are not also duds. The Hurricane was an earlier plane, but a comparable or less capable plane ca. 1942 than either the P-40 or P-39, including side by side combat performance in places like early Pacific or Soviet northern theater. The P-39/40 were average fighters, not above average and not way below.
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11-23-2007, 09:11 PM
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