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06-12-2005, 08:44 AM
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#271 | | Master of Ewes
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06-12-2005, 01:23 PM
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| Concerning the Graff Zeppelin: How can you be positive that it would have been sunk by the RN/RAF early in the war? Germany lost big warships as late as April 1945, and one survived. I mean obviously it's merely a ''what if'' but if it was built...the Germans were not stupid!
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06-12-2005, 02:20 PM
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#273 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | the only was we wouldn't sink it is if they kept her in harbour out of range of lancs based in russia or britian, no such a place exists........
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06-13-2005, 01:45 PM
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Country:  | The GZ would have been ready when the great war pan was developed and not before. It did not help that work was stopped at least twice and steel was not flowing like it was out of Pittsburg  As for the GZ being sunk if it did become operational, they seemed to have been able to get some very big battleships out under the RN nose.
Lanc, missions in 1942 over 2300 miles of ope pacific ocian is not a simple sing even if they are lightly defended. And the oil fields would becoe a well defended site, maybe not Polesti, but the Japanese never were short of developing a solution to a new problum. Only some were better then others.
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06-13-2005, 03:31 PM
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#275 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Chocks away! Concerning the Graff Zeppelin: How can you be positive that it would have been sunk by the RN/RAF early in the war? Germany lost big warships as late as April 1945, and one survived. I mean obviously it's merely a ''what if'' but if it was built...the Germans were not stupid! | Remember the Bismark? I truely dont think she would have survived. The British could not afford to have a Carrier around preying on the convoys, they would have put everything they against her just like the Bismark.
The only way she may have been effective was if she had been completed before the war started and slipped out the straight into the North Atlantic before hostilities started and then she may have had a chance.
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06-14-2005, 04:21 PM
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#276 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | but even then we'd put her out of action before making other naval commitments, we had one of the largest navies in the world at the start of the war, we could easily have a couple of carriers plus escorts and battleships along for the ride.........
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06-15-2005, 01:14 AM
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Country: | lanc, the Royal Navy was the largest navy in the world. It was only just taken over by the USN during the war. The Royal Navy would have thrown more at the GZ than they did at the Bismarck. They had 352 warships sailing the oceans in 1939, wherever the GZ turned up the Royal Navy would send 1,2 maybe 3 battle groups to end it's days.
The German big hitters that survived only survived because they were left in Norway after the Commandos' blew up St. Nazaire.
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06-15-2005, 12:55 PM
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#278 | | Der Crewchief
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06-15-2005, 02:14 PM
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Country: | You all might be right, but if she was at sea, the carrier airwing was not that much to look at. The 109T still had narrow tracked landing and as stated before by others the pilots were nt really prepared.
But I still would have liked to see it in action Thik the Graff Zeplin with two or three wolf packs around her. Even if she did not sink lots of ships the amout of trouble and material used to find and kill her would have been worth it. And the U-boats would get a few more war ships and oilers. I think that Russia might have been the hardest hit, because what would have gotte to England would stay, not as much to go on to Russia.
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06-15-2005, 02:19 PM
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#280 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I agree the aircraft selection for the GZ was not very good and she did not have much of an air defence anyhow.
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06-15-2005, 05:01 PM
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#281 | | Master of Ewes
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06-15-2005, 05:04 PM
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Country:  | Unfortunately for them, the GZ didn't have much of a decent anything. The Germans were brand new to the carrier biz and all sorts of mistakes were made. | |
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06-15-2005, 05:13 PM
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#283 | | Master of Ewes
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06-16-2005, 05:34 PM
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#284 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Nonskimmer Unfortunately for them, the GZ didn't have much of a decent anything. The Germans were brand new to the carrier biz and all sorts of mistakes were made. | Agreed
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06-20-2005, 02:59 PM
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Country: | They never really tried though, and the plans were not thought through that much. I have read a little more and the German Navy was planning for war in 1940 or so. But the GZ would have had a lot of RN ships and planes to look after it, I wounder if that alone would have affected the war
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