 | What If...?| Aviation Discuss What If...? in the World War II - Aviation forums; The Dornier Do19, primary competitor the Junkers Ju 89, looks sort of like a Lancaster with Hercules radials
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08-01-2005, 04:02 PM
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| The Dornier Do19, primary competitor the Junkers Ju 89, looks sort of like a Lancaster with Hercules radials 
Dornier Do 19 http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/do19.html
Both the Ju 89 and the Do 19 first flew in 1936
If Speer had used the distributed manufacture system before the war/ early in the war, then the Luftwaffe could have had hundreds of these in service by 1940/1941.
The Junkers Ju 89 was the favourite, and with better engines would have been better than the Heinkel He177/277 with its crap dual engine design | 
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08-01-2005, 04:03 PM
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08-01-2005, 04:42 PM
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Country:  | actually that looks more like the stirling........
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08-01-2005, 04:44 PM
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Country:  | Yeah that is Stirling-esqe. But much uglier 
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08-01-2005, 04:50 PM
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08-01-2005, 10:25 PM
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| So what would have happened if those heavy bombers made it into the war? They'd be shot down by Spitfires and Jugs and we'd be talking about how unprotected and poor performing they were? Or how they were the next biggest Luftwaffe mistake and it would've all been different if only they'd...
I'm guessing some of us would only be happy if the Luftwaffe used Spits and Lancs like the rest of us. Damn commie bastards. I mean fascists.
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The German remnant, circa 1980.
Me: thanks! I can make any variant out of this kit?
Renata: Adolf Galland had the fastest Emil in Germany.
Günther: the G-2 was good, very effective in Africa but otherwise the G was too heavy. I didn't like it.
Renata: What about the G-10. They say the Mustang is better but they're liars.
Günther: Yes the G-10 and K-4 were very good.
Me: so what you did during the war?
Günther: Oh I was a guard. Training alsations.
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08-01-2005, 10:30 PM
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| I've got one. What if Brits never believed in aircraft. At all. They just said sometime in the 30's, "Oh nobody could possibly win a war with aircraft. None that couldn't get past our mighty anti-aircraft guns and stolid British resolve."
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No Spit. No Hurricane. No Lancaster. Just lots of new battleships.
But...Frank Whittle invented the guided missile in 1938 instead of the Jet engine.
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The German remnant, circa 1980.
Me: thanks! I can make any variant out of this kit?
Renata: Adolf Galland had the fastest Emil in Germany.
Günther: the G-2 was good, very effective in Africa but otherwise the G was too heavy. I didn't like it.
Renata: What about the G-10. They say the Mustang is better but they're liars.
Günther: Yes the G-10 and K-4 were very good.
Me: so what you did during the war?
Günther: Oh I was a guard. Training alsations.
Renata: nothing, I did nothing. | |
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08-02-2005, 09:34 AM
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#398 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | a similer idea was being proposed in the 60s, a purely missile defence of Britian, the lightening however porved that they still needed intercepters
and the british stiff upper lip is powerfull enough to bring down any foe who is unfortunate to gaze upon it!
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08-02-2005, 09:36 AM
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Country: | Frank Whittle invented the jet engine in the early 20s.
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08-02-2005, 09:39 AM
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| The amazing thing is that the Luftwaffe did NOT have a long range force. If Hitler and Goering planned to invade the Soviet Union at some point, surely it was obvious that long range bombers and escort fighters were needed?
It is the extreme idiocy of Hitler and Goering that is so amazing in this case. | |
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08-02-2005, 09:43 AM
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Country: | It wasn't idiocy. The Soviet destruction would be on the ground, the Luftwaffe needed to be able to support the ground forces. Heavy bombers are only required when you need to strike long distances or across areas that your ground forces cannot reach.
The Luftwaffe only needed to support the Heeres during Operation Barbarossa. Heavy bombers were not needed against the Soviet Union because the ground forces could have reached the factories and production facilities.
That is to say, if Hitler hadn't messed with the strategic planning.
The only time the Luftwaffe would have needed heavy bombers was against Britain during the Battle of Britain. The only reason the USAAF and RAF had massive amounts of heavy bombers was because we were striking at the enemy while being unable to use our ground forces against them.
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08-02-2005, 09:47 AM
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| It is interesting how the jet engine developed. Henri Coanda's 1910 aircraft is intriuging. If this had been developed further, when would jet aircraft have entered service? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Coanda | |
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08-02-2005, 10:11 AM
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Country: | That's an overly complicated engine. A mix of piston and jet technology, it's just senseless but I'm sure it provided good lessons for the future. It wouldn't have gone any further with the study of that engine, they needed a proper jet engine.
Plus, design technology can only advance as far as the materials available to mankind will allow it.
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08-02-2005, 10:23 AM
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| Yeah, but it's a shame that there wasn't more attention paid to it, someone could have come up with the idea of a gas turbine. I think nickel was availble at the time.
At least we had the cool prop planes of the 10s, 20s, 30s and 40s. | |
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08-03-2005, 04:36 PM
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Country:  | Im with Plan_D on the fact that the Germans were too dependent on ground support rather than strategic bombing. It was Hitler who said that all aircraft had to be able to perform dive bombing duties.
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