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03-06-2005, 09:50 AM
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#31 | | Senior Member
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| Bear in mind that GZ should have gone into service in 1940-41. That means no Seafires, Sea Hurricanes only on CAM ships, and standard FAA equpment of Fulmar, Skua and Albacore. Oh, and no long range ASW aircraft except Ansons, cos all of the Whitleys and Wimpeys were still with Bomber Command. I still think a German carrier could have been decisve in the Atlantic theatre.
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03-06-2005, 09:55 AM
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Country:  | We were starting to get Catalinas, Whitleys and Wellingtons in 41 so they were able to ake out the U-Boats, if they attacked at night we also had Leigh Light equipped aircraft.
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03-06-2005, 10:47 AM
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#33 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | sorry in my previos post i should have mentioned that we'd also send carriers after her, it was aimed more at CC...........
and the swordfish stood up very well to fighters, she was very manouverable and crawled along much slower than the -109's stall speed..........
and you're forgetting that there was a chance she wouldn't even make it into the atlantic as we could atack her with land based aircraft when she's breaking out.......
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03-06-2005, 11:52 AM
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| I was including carriers in any force that might go after the GZ...and I dont think Skuas and Fulmars would have stood much chance against 109s. I also stand by my point of the Stringbag being vulnerable. If an intercept could be made at sufficient distance, the 109s would get to the Swordfish before they got low and slow to drop thier torps. And then there would have been a slaughter...
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03-06-2005, 12:02 PM
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#35 | | He who does not skim
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Country:  | Remember though that although the state of the FAA's aircraft was somewhat dismal at the time, the RN had still been doing carrier ops for quite some time. The Germans were brand new to it. The design of the GZ shows that (someone already went over the heavy guns, and such.). I still think the Royal Navy, maybe with RAF help even, would have put an end to her fairly early on. | |
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03-06-2005, 12:02 PM
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#36 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | ok well what do you say about the fact she might not even make in into the atlantic??
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03-06-2005, 12:03 PM
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Country: | The Brits would have had to knock her out quick, before she could attack any merchant shipping
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03-06-2005, 12:04 PM
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| That is a possibility...but then the RAF and RN failed to stop the Channel Dash, so whats to say they could have prevented the GZ breaking out? And while she is in harbour, she has the benefit of well-organised fighter and flak defences to cover her against heavy bombers. Stiopping her getting out would be a difficult proposition
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03-06-2005, 02:27 PM
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Country:  | [quote="the lancaster kicks ass"]sorry in my previos post i should have mentioned that we'd also send carriers after her, it was aimed more at CC...........[quote]
Why? Im not even part of this discussion.
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03-07-2005, 12:11 PM
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#40 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | yes but many german ships were lost trying to break out into the atlantic, there's no reason we couldn't hit the GZ............
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03-08-2005, 07:48 AM
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#41 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | The GZ never would have made it out of the channel. First of all the British aircraft in the area would have far out numbered the Luftwaffe and she would not have had sufficient carrier support from BB's, Cruisers, and Destroyers.
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03-08-2005, 10:24 AM
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03-08-2005, 11:40 AM
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#43 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Yes that it does. She would have been a beautiful ship.
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03-08-2005, 12:15 PM
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#44 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | she would have looked even nicer to the crews of the attacking british ships with a couple of torps in her side........
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03-08-2005, 12:22 PM
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