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Old 03-31-2005, 02:11 PM   #1
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What plane do you wish had sawservice

This topic is abut the planes that were experimental and never saw action. You pick the top 3 that you would have liked to see in the fighting.Mine are the
XP60 WARHAWK a modified P-40 WARHAWK
XF5U CORSAIR A modified F4U CORSAIR
HEINKELL 100 a german fighter
What are you picks?
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Old 03-31-2005, 03:23 PM   #2
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Heinkel saw action!

Mine would be:
RWD-22 - recon & torpedo-bomber
PZL P.62 - single engine fighter
PZL P.49 Mis (Bear) - medium bomber, modification of P.37b Los

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Old 03-31-2005, 03:26 PM   #3
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Republic XP-47J Thunderbolt

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From http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p47_9.html :

The fastest version of the Thunderbolt was the XP-47J, which was proposed in November 1942 as a lighter-weight version of the Thunderbolt designed to explore the outer limits of the design's basic performance envelope. The XP-47J was fitted with a 2800 hp Pratt and Whitney R-2800-57(C) housed inside a close-fitting cowling and cooled by a fan. The ventral intake for the CH-5 turbosupercharger was separated from the engine cowling and moved aft. The four-bladed propeller was fitted with a large conical-shaped spinner. The wing structure was lightened and the armament was reduced from eight to six 0.50-inch machine guns. The contract was approved on June 18, 1943.

The XP-47J was a completely new airframe and not a conversion of an existing P-47D. The serial number was 43-46952. The XP-47J flew for the first time on November 26, 1943. On August 4, 1944, it attained a speed of 504 mph in level fight, becoming the first propeller-driven fighter to exceed 500 mph. At one time, it was proposed that the J model would be introduced onto the production line, but the advent of the even more advanced XP-72 resulted in plans for the production of the P-47J being abandoned before any more could be completed.

A proposal to adapt the XP-47J to use contrarotating propellers with an R-2800-61 engine was dropped.

Maximum speed of the XP-47J was 507 mph at 34,300 feet, range was 765 miles at 400 mph, 1070 miles at economical cruising speed. An altitude of 15,000 feet could be reached in 4.5 minutes. Service ceiling was 45,000 feet. Weights were 9663 pounds empty, 12,400 pounds normal loaded, 16,780 pounds maximum. Wingspan was 40 feet 11 inches, length was 33 feet 3 inches, height was 14 feet 2 inches, and wing area was 300 square feet.

From http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/qu...485/P-47M.html :

The "J" was fitted with a high output version of the P&W R-2800. Specifically, the R-2800-57. This engine made 2,800 hp @ 2,800 rpm at 35,000 feet. This is in War Emergency Power.

The aircraft actually attained 507 mph at an altitude of 34,300 feet. 2,800 hp is 133% of rated power. At military power (100%), the XP-47J could sustain 470 mph. 435 mph was attained at 81% of its rated power (1,700 hp). All performance figures were obtained at 34,300 feet.

The "J" model was an especially good climbing fighter too. It had a climb rate at sea level of 4,900 fpm. At 20,000 feet, it was still rocketing up at 4,400 fpm, and got there in 4 minutes, 15 seconds. Time to 30,000 feet was only 6 minutes, 45 seconds. Now that's an interceptor! Yet it had a usable range of 1,075 miles. Rather impressive, don't you think? No, this was not a stripped down hotrod. It was fully armed and carried ballast in the wings equal to 267 rds per gun. The aircraft was flown to a height of 46,500 feet and was capable of a bit more.

Republic XP-72 Superbolt

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org...ges/xp72-2.jpg

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Specific ation of Republic XP-72:

Powerplant: One 3450 hp Pratt & Whitney R-4360-13 Wasp Major air-cooled radial engine.

Performance: Maximum speed was 490 mph at 25,000 feet. Normal range was 1200 miles at 300 mph and maximum range was 2520 miles at 315 mph with two 125 Imp. gall. drop tanks. Initial climb rate was 5280 feet per minute, and climb rate at 25,000 feet was 3550 feet per minute. An altitude of 15,000 feet could be reached in 3.5 minutes, 20,000 feet in 5 minutes. Service ceiling was 42,000 feet.

Weights were 11,476 pounds empty, 14,433 pounds normal loaded, 17,490 pounds maximum.

Dimensions were wingspan 40 feet 11 inches, length 36 feet 7 inches, height 16 feet 0 inches, and wing area 300 square feet.

Armament: Four 37mm cannon.

Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star

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Old 03-31-2005, 04:12 PM   #4
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SAI Ambrosini SS4, a canard pusher fighter from 1939 that was unfortunately destroyed in prototype form.
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Old 03-31-2005, 04:25 PM   #5
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Was the SAI Ambrosini SS4 an Italian fighter? It has a very interesting design. The design engineers certainly were thinking "out of the box."

What were its peformance figures?

What armament did it carry?
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1) Horten Ho229
2) Messerschmitt Me264
3) Polikarpov VIT-2 - I dunno if it was supposed to be a good plane or not but, it certainly did look good...
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Old 03-31-2005, 05:20 PM   #7
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Well I didnt know that the heinkell 100 did see service
If it did not more then 10 to 50 of them did
And I also thought that the P-80 did see service..
Oh wait a minute I bet you ment in WW2 . I ment in WW2 and the immediate post WW2
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He 100 in service
In 1940 the He 100's were publicized by Goebbels in a propaganda effort aimed at convincing people that a new fighter was entering service with the Luftwaffe. The plan involved taking pictures of the remaining D-1's at different air bases around Germany, each time sporting a new paint job for various fictional fighter groups. The pictures were then published in the press with the He 113 name, sometimes billed as night fighters (rather silly since you could see they didn't even have a landing light).

The plane also appeared in a series of "action shot" photographs in various magazines like Der Alder, including claims that it had proven itself in combat in Denmark and Norway. One source claims that the planes were on loan to the one Luftwaffe staffel in Norway for a time, but this might be a case of the same misinformation working many years later.

It's unclear even today exactly who this effort was intended to impress —foreign air forces or Germany's public— but it seems to have been a successful deception. British intelligence featured the plane in AIR 40/237, a report on the Luftwaffe that was completed in 1940. There the top speed was listed as 390mph (interesting that it also states the wing was 167 square feet) and it noted that the plane was in production. Reports of 113's encountered and shot down were listed throughout the early years of the war.

The remaining twelve He 100D-1c fighters were used to form Heinkel's Marienehe factory defense unit, flown by factory test pilots. They replaced the earlier He 112's that were used for the same purpose, and the 112's were later sold off. At this early stage in the war there were no bombers venturing that far into Germany, and it appears that the unit never saw action. The eventual fate of the D-1's remains unknown.

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Old 03-31-2005, 05:47 PM   #9
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Mosin,

The topic as set out by you concerned "planes that were experimental and never saw action."

The P-80 never saw action. It was deployed right beforen the end of the war but never saw combat (action).

Perhaps it doesn't fit the second requirement of your topic, "experimental."
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Yeah that was my idea but now that I think about it your right
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Old 03-31-2005, 09:30 PM   #11
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507 mph. That's a screamer.

Not sure what i would pick. I'll be back.
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Old 04-01-2005, 02:53 AM   #12
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Was the SAI Ambrosini SS4 an Italian fighter? It has a very interesting design. The design engineers certainly were thinking "out of the box."

What were its peformance figures?

What armament did it carry?
Max speed was about 540kmh from only 960hp ~ 335mph. Most places list the intended armament as being 1x30mm and 2x20mm but i think it would be more probable to have 1x20mm and 2x12.7mm instead.

Another choice of mine would be the SAI 207/403 lightweight fighter. Only 750hp but 648kmp ~ 400mph speed and excellent handling.
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Old 04-02-2005, 06:31 AM   #14
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Here are the aircraft that I wish had seen service:

1. Messerschmitt Me P.1101
2. Blohm & Voss Bv-155
3. Henschell Hs-132
4. Messerschmitt Me-263
5. Messerschmitt Me-309
6. Focke Wulf Ta-183
7. Bell XP-83
8. Northrop XP-56

Sorry I know that this list is more then 3 but I could not help myself. I really do wish these had atleast seen a little service so that we may have been able to see what they could really do.
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Good list Im changing it to all you want (In reason) The ones Im gonna add are the messerschmitt 264 and the japanese reppu
Ill be back later and see what all has been picked. I never heard of the messerschmitt 309 (im gonna go to MSN search now)
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