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Old 09-30-2005, 01:59 AM   #16
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what prototype do you wish had seen service in WW2?

I always thought that the whirlwind should have had a chance either as a heavy fighter or fast light bomber.The do335 has always intrigued me as the power of the engines goes to the fuselage and not the wings as other twin engined planes which should make it a fast plane.(which it did) I don't know if the he100 is included in this list as a limited number was made,but after reading the other posts in the other section, it would have been a good fighter. The ta154 would have been a interesting foil to the mosquito too.
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Old 09-30-2005, 08:35 AM   #17
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Slow top speed? The F8F had a top speed of 421 MPH. That's not that slow. It was never intended for ETO use.
425 mph isn't that slow for the ETO. Sure, on paper it doesn't match the 450mph or so of the P-51B, Spitfire XIV, 109K but that still puts it in the same class as the 190A serise, 190D serise, 109G-10, P-38L, Typhoon and Tempest. Its faster than a Spitfire Mk IX or a 109G-6 which were still front line types right up until VE Day.
The 421 mph top speed is based upon mid 1944 tests where the boost was limited to 59 lbs in low blower and 53 lbs in high blower. Top speed at critical altitude was 417 mph at this boost, and at 20,000 feet the max speed was 410 mph. In the same tests the F4U-4 managed 452 mph at critical alt (which is 20,700 feet so this is about the same at 20k) running at 70 lbs boost. Even so the F8F outclimbed the F4U-4 to 20k, managing to make that altitude in 4.7 minutes as opposed to 5 minutes flat for the Corsair.

There is no reason the F8F could not also run at 70 lbs boost. Just like the F4U-4 it mounts an R2800 C series engine. My point is actual combat performance would have been significantly better than the early prototype test data we see figures for and it would have stacked up nicely against any WWII prop fighter.

Its "short range" put it on a par with the Spitfire and other WWII fighters.

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Old 09-30-2005, 09:16 AM   #18
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The McDonnell XP-67 Bat would have been interesting...

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p67.htm
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Old 09-30-2005, 09:27 AM   #19
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Ki-83. Really well armed, and apparently fast and manuverable, although most statistics on speed seem to be from US tests which used a higher octane fuel than would have been available to the Japanese.
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Old 09-30-2005, 09:49 AM   #20
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I think you mean the Ki-84 Hayate ("Frank").

Not only was the fuel of higher octane, but the low pressure fuel system was completely rebuilt using mostly American parts.

And the Ki-84 saw combat, in fact it was the most numerous Japanese late war fighter with over 2000 units built.
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Old 09-30-2005, 09:58 AM   #21
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Republic XP-72 configured with four 37mm cannons.
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Old 09-30-2005, 11:15 AM   #22
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Bombers?? i'd want to see the lanc Mk.VI to see mass production, you're baisically looking at a normal lanc with a pushing 350mph top speed, which she did actually make, only 8 were made and they did fly missions, one flying 25 missions! however they never officially entered squadron service.........

fighters?? i'd wanna see a wirlwind with merlins and the XP-67 simply because it looks so cool.........
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Old 09-30-2005, 01:56 PM   #23
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An aircraft which had the performance of a 1944 prop aircraft yet was almost ready in 1940. It didn't use unreliable early jet engines and apparently possesed outstanding flying characteristics and could reach 443 mph at 23-24000 feet.
The BF109 E had a top speed of 350 mph, the Spitfire 360 mph.

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This was a french high-speed fighter prototype which was near completion at the time of the armistice.Developed out of the
2nd class M.B.152 fighter family, it reached fthe fantastic speed of 710km/h under german control in 1942.
It could have flown already in 1940! It´s best part was its advanced radial engine which was good at high altitude.
It had outstanding flying characteristics. 6 months design time. Destroyed by a bombing raid.
Data: turbosupercharged 1590PS (1700PS at 8000m !!!) Gnome-Rhône-14R-4, 710 (!!!)km/h in 7850m, 1095km, 2390-3250kg,
10.7m wingspan, 9.7m length, 19.4m2 wing area, two 20mm HS404 machine cannons, 2 7.5mm Darne MG

Avions Marcel Bloch M.B.157, 443 mph, 1940

It has a radial engine which usually are tougher than inlines. It resembles an FW 190 in some ways.

Imagine if the Luftwaffe had gone up against hundreds of these. Just a few more months and it would have been in service.

I wonder if German spies learnt of this and it contributed to Hitler's decision to invade France when he did before the French air force became too strong.

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Old 09-30-2005, 02:06 PM   #24
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Thats pretty impressive!
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Old 09-30-2005, 02:22 PM   #25
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I knew the 157 was supposed to be good but I didnt think it was that good.....
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Old 09-30-2005, 05:11 PM   #26
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A lot of people overlook those early French designs. Love them or hate them, they did make some impressive airplanes. It almost looks like what a P-51B would look like with a radial engine.
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Old 10-01-2005, 10:10 PM   #27
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Ive wished the XF4U-B "Flying Pancake" had seen more service. They did fly in WWII but they were not fully used.
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Old 10-01-2005, 11:27 PM   #28
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Avions Marcel Bloch M.B.157 looks like a smaller version of the P47
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True, syscom, like a small razorback Jug.
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Old 10-02-2005, 06:31 AM   #30
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I would have liked to have seen the Ta-183 and the Messerschmitt Me P.1011 see service. From the allies I would have liked to have seen the Republic XP-72 and the Northrop XP-56.
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