What protoype do you wish had seen service in WW2? - Aircraft of World War II

Jabberwocky · 09-29-2005, 12:18 AM

As the topic says, what prototype bomber, fighter, transport or jet do you wish had seen squadron service during the war, and why?

Personally, I wish that the single stage Merlin engined Whirlwind prototype had gone into production. If it could do 360 mph on those anemic little Pegasus engines, imagine the performance with a pair of 1200 hp Merlin XIIs.
Whirly Mk IIs would of been great, its such a pity that the fluffed up the design so much with the Welkin. Clip the wing tips, add a semi-recessed centerline bomb mount, keep it below about 20,000 feet and give it a belt feed for the Hispanos, even if you have to sacrifice one of the cannons to pad out the ammo capacity.

The other great British 'also ran' for me was the Martin Baker MB.5. If only because it looks like the msibeggotten love child of a P-51D and a Griffon engined Spitfire

EDIT: NO paper planes! It must have at least been built in prototype form and either been ready to fly or have flown. Otherwise this just degenirates into a Luft'46 thing.

syscom3 · 09-29-2005, 12:40 AM

Does this include prototypes that flew towards the end of the war, then went into active service?

Erich · 09-29-2005, 12:44 AM

most likely one of the late war paper jet pieces from Germany

syscom3 · 09-29-2005, 01:00 AM

I'd like to have seen the F8F, F7F and Skyraiders to see service.

Glider · 09-29-2005, 04:12 AM

Hornet for me.

FLYBOYJ · 09-29-2005, 11:01 AM

XP-55 Acender - I know it looked better than it flew

Marshall_Stack · 09-29-2005, 03:48 PM

The Vought aircraft that was made for the navy which had v-stol characteristics and approached 500 mph. It looked like a saucer with two Allison in-line engines in front. It was the XF5U-1 "Flying Flapjack.

JCS · 09-29-2005, 04:05 PM

Either the Do335 or Re.2006 for me.

wmaxt · 09-29-2005, 06:00 PM

P-38K, P-80 of course. The other planes listed would have been cool to.

wmaxt

quayhog · 09-29-2005, 06:30 PM

I would have loved to see the Lockheed P2V-1 Neptunes in service for large tactical aircraft. For fighter's I would have liked to see Ryan FR-1 Fireball and the F8F Bearcat. If Japan had been invaded these would have seen active service. I wonder how the prototypes of the B-32 and B-36 were coming along in 1945? Germany had some interesting jets on the drawing board too and if they had seen squadron service it may have prolonged the war.

The Wright R-3350 and the PW R-4360 were still very buggy engines in 1945. I don't think they ever solved all the 4360's problems.

wmaxt · 09-29-2005, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by quayhog

I would have loved to see the Lockheed P2V-1 Neptunes in service for large tactical aircraft. For fighter's I would have liked to see Ryan FR-1 Fireball and the F8F Bearcat. If Japan had been invaded these would have seen active service. I wonder how the prototypes of the B-32 and B-36 were coming along in 1945? Germany had some interesting jets on the drawing board too and if they had seen squadron service it may have prolonged the war.

The Wright R-3350 and the PW R-4360 were still very buggy engines in 1945. I don't think they ever solved all the 4360's problems.

The Bearcat would have done fine in the Japanese invasion but if it had gone to the ETO its short range and slow top speed would have been serious deficencies. Its focus was Kamakazies and direct carrier defense and was pretty much useless anywhere else, thats why it was never even considered for wider use by the Navy and was gone before the Corsair.

The B36 first flew August '46 and the first production plane in August '47.

The Ryan fireball had a good name pretty much describing its usefulness.

There's some truth in that. The 4360 only had a 350/400hr service life and at 1.8 million thats not exactly economical.

wmaxt

evangilder · 09-29-2005, 08:12 PM

Slow top speed? The F8F had a top speed of 421 MPH. That's not that slow. It was never intended for ETO use.

syscom3 · 09-29-2005, 08:58 PM

[quote="wmaxt"]

Quote:

Originally Posted by quayhog

There's some truth in that. The 4360 only had a 350/400hr service life and at 1.8 million thats not exactly economical.

350 to 400 hours to rebuild or disposal?

Jabberwocky · 09-30-2005, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evangilder

Slow top speed? The F8F had a top speed of 421 MPH. That's not that slow. It was never intended for ETO use.

425 mph isn't that slow for the ETO. Sure, on paper it doesn't match the 450mph or so of the P-51B, Spitfire XIV, 109K but that still puts it in the same class as the 190A serise, 190D serise, 109G-10, P-38L, Typhoon and Tempest. Its faster than a Spitfire Mk IX or a 109G-6 which were still front line types right up until VE Day.

Marshall_Stack · 09-30-2005, 02:21 AM

The B-32 Dominator did see service in the pacific theatre. They made raids on the oil fields in the Dutch East Indies and one of the last raids of Japan.

09-29-2005, 12:18 AM	#1
Jabberwocky Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Japan Posts: 494	What protoype do you wish had seen service in WW2? As the topic says, what prototype bomber, fighter, transport or jet do you wish had seen squadron service during the war, and why? Personally, I wish that the single stage Merlin engined Whirlwind prototype had gone into production. If it could do 360 mph on those anemic little Pegasus engines, imagine the performance with a pair of 1200 hp Merlin XIIs. Whirly Mk IIs would of been great, its such a pity that the fluffed up the design so much with the Welkin. Clip the wing tips, add a semi-recessed centerline bomb mount, keep it below about 20,000 feet and give it a belt feed for the Hispanos, even if you have to sacrifice one of the cannons to pad out the ammo capacity. The other great British 'also ran' for me was the Martin Baker MB.5. If only because it looks like the msibeggotten love child of a P-51D and a Griffon engined Spitfire EDIT: NO paper planes! It must have at least been built in prototype form and either been ready to fly or have flown. Otherwise this just degenirates into a Luft'46 thing.

09-29-2005, 12:40 AM	#2
syscom3 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 10,283	Does this include prototypes that flew towards the end of the war, then went into active service? __________________ "Pilot to copilot..... what are those mountain goats doing up here in the clouds?"

09-29-2005, 12:44 AM	#3
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	most likely one of the late war paper jet pieces from Germany __________________ Rip it up !

09-29-2005, 01:00 AM	#4
syscom3 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 10,283	I'd like to have seen the F8F, F7F and Skyraiders to see service. __________________ "Pilot to copilot..... what are those mountain goats doing up here in the clouds?"

09-29-2005, 11:01 AM	#6
FLYBOYJ IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 16,051	XP-55 Acender - I know it looked better than it flew __________________ "IF ITS RED OR DUSTY, DON'T TOUCH IT"

09-29-2005, 04:12 AM	#5
Glider Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,655	Hornet for me.

09-29-2005, 03:48 PM	#7
Marshall_Stack Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 379	The Vought aircraft that was made for the navy which had v-stol characteristics and approached 500 mph. It looked like a saucer with two Allison in-line engines in front. It was the XF5U-1 "Flying Flapjack.

09-29-2005, 04:05 PM	#8
JCS Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nicholson, PA Posts: 672	Either the Do335 or Re.2006 for me. __________________

09-29-2005, 06:00 PM	#9
wmaxt Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 1,175	P-38K, P-80 of course. The other planes listed would have been cool to. wmaxt

09-29-2005, 06:30 PM	#10
quayhog Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 20	I would have loved to see the Lockheed P2V-1 Neptunes in service for large tactical aircraft. For fighter's I would have liked to see Ryan FR-1 Fireball and the F8F Bearcat. If Japan had been invaded these would have seen active service. I wonder how the prototypes of the B-32 and B-36 were coming along in 1945? Germany had some interesting jets on the drawing board too and if they had seen squadron service it may have prolonged the war. The Wright R-3350 and the PW R-4360 were still very buggy engines in 1945. I don't think they ever solved all the 4360's problems.

09-29-2005, 08:12 PM	#12
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 14,809	Slow top speed? The F8F had a top speed of 421 MPH. That's not that slow. It was never intended for ETO use. __________________ http://www.vg-photo.com For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

09-30-2005, 02:21 AM	#15
Marshall_Stack Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 379	The B-32 Dominator did see service in the pacific theatre. They made raids on the oil fields in the Dutch East Indies and one of the last raids of Japan.

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