 | Where does one find....| Aviation Discuss Where does one find.... in the World War II - Aviation forums; a graph showing the number of axis aircraft downed by each allied type; Spitfire, P-47 etc????? In a debate ... |
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05-29-2005, 05:04 PM
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#1 | | Junior Member
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| Where does one find....
a graph showing the number of axis aircraft downed by each allied type; Spitfire, P-47 etc????? In a debate over which fighter shot down the most axis planes one guy insists that he read that more axis AC fell to B-17s then to any fighter???Can that be true???? | 
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05-29-2005, 05:08 PM
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Country:  | A lot were probably claimed by B-17 crews in the heat of battle but accidental overclaiming happened a lot there. I remember reading somewhere that the P-47 shot down the most axis aircraft (when it comes to 8th AF)
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05-30-2005, 02:59 AM
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| P-47 is a hot candidate for USAAF,
Hurricane/ Spitfire for RAF
and Yak/La for VVS
Most german losses occured on the eastern front except for 1940 where they occured in the west and 1944 where they occured in the home defense.
The B-17 surely have most claims but nor most kills. And who cares about claims?
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06-10-2005, 10:51 AM
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__________________  US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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06-10-2005, 04:13 PM
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Country: | and if B-17s shot down the most axis aircraft if i had a hat i wanted to eat, i'd eat it!!
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06-10-2005, 04:16 PM
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06-11-2005, 06:58 AM
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#7 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Well I have this info here for you but it does not include Bomber kills.
None of this confirmed by myself.
P-51 Mustang: 4,950 air kills, 4,131 ground kills and 230 V-1 kills.
P-47 Thunderbolt: 3,752 European air kills with an additional 3,315 on the ground.
P-38 Lightning: 2,050, of which 738 were claimed in the MTO.
P-40 Warhawk: 149 claims in the MTO.
Note for British Aircraft only air kills are shown, not ground kills.
Spitfire: 2,470
Hurricane: 1,120
Typhoon: 790
Tempest: 980
Whirlwind: 275
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06-11-2005, 11:36 AM
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06-11-2005, 11:37 AM
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06-11-2005, 11:58 AM
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| I know it doesn't seem right, but i think it is in fact true. Thin of the numbers of jerrries in the air in 1939-1940. Still , i can't confirm this at the moment. 
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06-11-2005, 11:59 AM
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Country: | And after that pretty much only by other countries and if I recall they got slaughtered.
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06-11-2005, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Chocks away! I know it doesn't seem right, but i think it is in fact true. Thin of the numbers of jerrries in the air in 1939-1940. Still , i can't confirm this at the moment. | Nope sorry but this is just not true.
During the 1940 to 1941 in 479 Days of engagment the Hurricane shot down 222 Bf-109E's, 128 Bf-110, and 306 bombers for a total of 655 kills to a loss of 497 Hurricanes. You have to remember that the Hurricanes were not going over to Germany and attacking German planes there they were shooting at German Bombers over London.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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06-11-2005, 12:38 PM
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#14 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | they did see longer service over the MTO and south east asia......
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06-11-2005, 04:52 PM
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#15 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Ofcourse no one is saying they did not. Were just saying that they did not shoot down the most Luftwaffe aircraft.
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