why nobody gibe credit to china???

[cheddar cheese]

Well look at this...


The TB-3 heavy bomber was the workhorse of the pre-war Soviet offensive bomber forces. Designed by the Tupolev Design Bureau between 1925-30 it has the distinction of being the first all-metal four-engined monoplane bomber. Between 1932 and 1938 a total of 819 machines were made in four military and two civil modifications.
In August 1937 the Soviet Government determined to offer the Chinese assistance against the Japanese. TB-3 were therefore delivered to the Chinese Air Force. On 20 May 1938 six TB-3 made a flight over Japan to drop leaflets.


Heinkel 111 came to WWII aviation history as one of the best medium-range bomber. But born of future great plane accompanied with big problems and combat service of the first-built planes was very short.
Just after Adolf Hitler became Chancellor of the Third Reich process of breaking of the Versailles Treaty began. But Germany couldn't throw challenge to Britain and France and conception of Bomber aviation creating consist from building transport planes which could be converted to bombers when war started.
On February, 24 1935 first flight of the new plane took place. Flying performances was satisfied and plane returned to factory for improves. Reichsluftahrtministerium at the end of 1935 ordered pre-production batch from 10 aircrafts, which received official name He-111 A. Unlike prototype, He-111A was more heavily (on 520 kg) and cruising speed reduced to 168 mph (270 km/h). New plane admitted unsuitable for Luftwaffe.
This decision was unexpected for Heinkel, who had already initiated the flight testing of much powerful prototype He-111V5.
But in same time Chinese military purchasing commission was in Germany. During China-Japanese boarding conflict they had mandate from Chiang Kai-shek government obtain any bombers.
Soon six He-111A with deleted bomb sights and radio equipment were disassembled and shipped to China by see. At the end of 1936 all six new bombers joined to Chinese air forces.
They were first operationally used in attack against Japanese army near Shanghai, being flown with Martin 139 and Boeing 281 escort planes. Five of the six He-111A participated in this mission but inexperienced Chinese crews forgot lift ventral gunner position and Heinkel fell behind the Martin's and Boeing's. Japanese fighters shot down three of them, other returned to base.
Survived three He-111A still in service until Autumn 1937.
One He-111 was lost in flying accident on 1939, when Chinese gunnerfrom other aircraft shot down him by mistake.
He 111A - the first serial-built modification of famous Luftwaffe medium bomber He 111, which served until the end of World War II. Six of this type were built and all of them were purchased by Chinese government. This plane was not adopted to the Luftwaffe service but all six built aircrafts took part in conflict between China and Japan on late 1936.





http://www.aviapress.com/viewonekit.htm?ICM-72092

[the lancaster kicks ass]

wow didn't know about them being used in china..........

[cheddar cheese]

Me neither...

[the lancaster kicks ass]

so how'd you find out, were you looking for something else or them in particualr??

[cheddar cheese]

I was looking for aircraft used in China during WW2, and that came up. I could look for more but I cant be bothered, at least that shows I tried

[the lancaster kicks ass]

what about fighters though??

[cheddar cheese]

I am NOT your slave

Ill have a look.

[the lancaster kicks ass]

you do that..........

[cheddar cheese]

On a video I have about the P-40 it talks about the service it did with the "Flying Tigers" whilst in China. One fact I can remember is that when the numbers of P-40's were getting low, Chinese craftsmen carved replicas out of wood and were painted, so as to look like they had many P-40's left.

[kiwimac]

Fighters used in China During ww2

Fighter Aircraft
Armstrong Whitworth A.W.35 Scimitar* (13?)
Breda Ba.27* (30, 11 known to have been delivered)
^Bregeut Bre.19* (74)
Curtiss Hawk 75 H, M (113)
Curtiss Hawk 75Q#* (2)
Curtiss 68C Hawk III* (102)
Curtiss 81-A3 (P-40C Tomahawk)* (100 AVG)
Curtiss 87-V (P-40N Warhawk)* (?)
Curtiss Wright CW.21 (30 - many not completed)
^Fiat CR.30* (2)
^Fiat CR.32* (16)
Gloster Gladiator Mk I* (36)
North American P-51D Mustang* (50)
Polikarpov I 15bis* (185, plus 4 Soviet Squadrons)
Polikarpov I 153* (93)
Polikarpov I 16 type 10, I 16UTI* (250+, plus 2 Soviet squadrons)
Vultee V-48C Vanguard* (129)

Source: http://users.senet.com.au/~mhyde/ww2...na.htm#fighter

Bomber, Ground Attack and Torpedo Aircraft

Curtiss A12 Shrike* (20)
Curtiss Wright CW-19R* (20)
Heinkel He 111
Ilyushin DB-3* (?)
Lockheed B-14L Hudson* (?)
Martin B-10B* (9)
North American B-25 Mitchell* (?)
Northrop Gamma 2B (24 imported and 25 assembled in China)
Tuplev ANT 40 SB* (200)
Vultee V-11G* (30)
Vultee V-12C (13)
Vultee V-12D (52 - not all completed)

Transport, Reconnaissiance and Communication Aircraft

Curtiss Wright C-46 Commando* (?)
Douglas C-47 Dakota* (?)
Focke-Wulf FW 58* (?)
Mitsubishi Ki 57* (captured)
Republic RP-43 Lancer* (?)


Training Aircraft

Avro 626 Prefect* (9)
Avro 621 Tutor* (5)
Breda Ba.28* (1
Fleet 10C, D and licensed assembly* (56)
North American AT-6 Havard* (85)

Source: ibid

Oh and BTW this will explain the markings used in the above information

a caret - ^ -indicates that the type was used during the Sino/Japanese war but not subsequently in WW2.
· an asterisk - * - indicates that the aircraft type was not manufactured or assembled by this operator. It may have been imported, captured, impressed or supplied under lend-lease.
· a hash - # - indicates that the aircraft type was experimental, or series production did not occur.

Kiwimac

[Gemhorse]

Yep, I recall they got some Curtiss Hawk 75's early on, and have read a little of the Jap-China War in 1939....The Japs were also having a go at the Russians too, somewhere around this time.....

Great new siggy, CC !!!

Yours too, Kiwimac...[love to know how you get them moving.....]

And Evan, a very tidy Yak, complementary to the Restoration guys...

Gemhorse

[evangilder]

The problem with researching the Chinese AF of WWII is that there is some info out there, but some of the sources conflict. I don't read Chinese and the people I know that do wouldn't be much help as alot of the technical jargon that they would not understand. Perhaps I could research that in the future for a presentation, but the schedule for the year is already booked up. I will see when I can get to that. It's a big project to get the proper and correct info for.

[the lancaster kicks ass]

i wouldn't even know where to start

but great lists there, and you can't help but feel sorry for the poor buggers at times

[GT]

Update.

[mosquitoman]

They really didn't have good equipment but if some pilots were getting kills out of these obsolescent planes they must have been good