Willi Reschke´s G-?, August 29th,1944

[seesul]

Hi ya all,

I have already started this discussion at http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...er-460-33.html (The Ta-152.... The Best High Altitude Fighter?????) but don´t wanna bore this thread anymore as it is about Ta-152H.
On August 29th 1944 while attacking B-17G´s from 20 Sqdn,2ndBG, one Bf109, that was behind Willi Reschke´s machine, shot of a part of Willi´s Bf109 and Willi was forced to emergency landing near Banov. After the landing Willi was transfered to rail station in Uhersky Brod and drove by train to his unit.
Local people toke some pictures of his machine. I know 4 pictures till now and have 3 pics available (attached). As Willi says in his book it should be G-6 version and all the available sources say the same but the pictures show something different. There are no usual bulges on the engine cowling and this machine seems like G-6AS,G-10 or G-14AS.
Can someone identify this machine?

Thanks

Roman

P.S. for German speaking people- I´ve opened the same discussion at LBB « Luftwaffe Bullet Board » Forum zur deutschen Luftfahrtgeschichte

[seesul]

Trumpeter produces Willi Reschke´s Bf109G-6 in scale 1:24.On the transfer paper there´s a Wnr. 412960. Two versions from this kit are available- Willi Reschke´s and Erich Hartmann´s machine. Does someone know if this Wnr. had belonged to Hartmann´s machine? Willi Reschke doesn´t know the Wnr. of his emergency landed Bf. I´ve tried to contact the people from Trumpeter regarding this matter but no answer till now...

Roman

[Erich]

Roman Willi flew a late model G-6. G-10's were not available to fall of 44 and even the G-14 and G-14/AS were late in coming. I do not feel that JG 302 had any g-6/AS as the unit was going through separation with the cadre off to other units, special emphasis on sister unit JG 301 with brand new Fw 190A-8, A-8/r2's and A-9's as it needed experienced pilots for tackling US heavy bombers during the daylight hours

[seesul]

O.K. Erich, but if you compare the picture on the Trumpeter box, there are bulges on this machine. Trumpeter says it´s late version.
But on the photos taken after Willi´s crash landing I can´t see the same bulges and the same photos show ''big engine cowling'' that is (on my opinion, I´m not an expert) typical for the engines with bigger compressor, which would point to the AS version. Have you seen the discussion at Luftwaffe [LuftArchiv.de - Das Archiv der Deutschen Luftwaffe] 2.WK ?

Gruss

Roman

[seesul]

Erich,

and something else- look, what my friend had written at LBB « Luftwaffe Bullet Board » Forum zur deutschen Luftfahrtgeschichte

1)Kinnbeule
2)Bsk 16
3)Antenmast des FuG 16 ZY unter der linken Tragfläche

1 und 3 ist typische für G-14/AS, nicht für G-6/AS oder G-6/ASy. Ersten GMaschinen der G-14/AS reihe erhielt Jagdwaffe seit August 1944(z.B. II./JG 27-Quelle: Jochen Prien : Chronik des II/JG27 S. 471,455, II./JG 53-Quelle: J.Prien/P.Rodeike:messerschmitt Bf 109 F,G,K Series,S.148,149

Oh man, what a mess...

Gruss

Roman

[Wurger]

Undoubtedly, in the third pic it is clearly visible it isn't standard BF109G6.Look at the fin and the rudder,please.Besides looking at the engine cowling I got the impression that the engine could be the DB605AS.The hole on the cowling is very charakteristic for the power plant.It is possible the plane at the pic is the G6AS or early G10/G10AS.Certainly I can be wrong.Of course there is also possibility that these pisc don't show Willi Reschke's a/c.

[seesul]

Originally Posted by Wurger

Undoubtedly, in the third pic it is clearly visible it isn't standard BF109G6.Look at the fin and the rudder,please.Besides looking at the engine cowling I got the impression that the engine could be the DB605AS.The hole on the cowling is very charakteristic for the power plant.It is possible the plane at the pic is the G6AS or early G10/G10AS.Certainly I can be wrong.Of course there is also possibility that these pisc don't show Willi Reschke's a/c.

Thanks for your opinion Wurger, what a mystery plane!
Btw the fact, that this is Willi Reschke´s machine, is 100% sure. I live in this area, know the eye witnesses of his emergency landing and Willi was there last year and recognized this area. The girl on left is still alive and remembers him after the landing and met him last year again...

Roman

[Wurger]

Hi Roman,
So, it is really a mistery plane.

Wojtek

[seesul]

Hello Wojtek,

I spoke to Willi Reschke yesterday and he belives this photo is a photomontage.
But it is not as I´ve seen an original photo in smaller size in the photo album of this girl (today ederly women for sure). This photo was taken in 1944 and is absolutely the same like this one that I´ve posted and shows the same machine

Nice weekend

Roman

[Wurger]

Hi,
I think, non of these pics are a photomontage.Unfortunately people in the pics covered very important parts of the plane for proper ID.The third pic is better one 'cos we can see the front part of the plane.But two girls covered its number and as a result we cannot be sure it is the same plane like this in shots uploaded above.I'm still convinced it is Bf 109 with DB605AS.As far as Willi Reschke's memory is concerned - it occured so many years ago.But he should know the best.

[seesul]

Originally Posted by Wurger

Hi,
I think, non of these pics are a photomontage.Unfortunately people in the pics covered very important parts of the plane for proper ID.The third pic is better one 'cos we can see the front part of the plane.But two girls covered its number and as a result we cannot be sure it is the same plane like this in shots uploaded above.I'm still convinced it is Bf 109 with DB605AS.As far as Willi Reschke's memory is concerned - it occured so many years ago.But he should know the best.

Yeah, you´re absolutely right. I´ve seen 4 pics of this machine but have only 3 available. 4th picture is in the book ''Mustangy nad Protektoratem'' (Mustangs over Protectorate) written by Jiri Rajlich. And this is very nice shot as it was taken from the front left side and if I´m not wrong the engine cowling is complete to see there. I´ll try to get it somewhere...
But anyway, both these girls are from Banov (crash landing site) and that girl on the left is still alive. This pic comes from her... And only Willi Reschke´s machine crash landed near Banov during WWII...

btw where you´re from? Have good friends in Krakow and Wroclav
btw2 the parents of my American friend Joe Owsianik that is mentioned in my siggy come from Krakow. They moved to New Jersey in 1889 and he was born there. He´s going to visit me in term from 23/8 till 3/9. He wanted to meet Willi Reschke in our town but Willi Reschke doesn´t want to make such a long trip anymore... But anyway, I´m really very happy that we could have Willi Reschke on visit last year. What a experience!

[Wurger]

Ahoj Roman,

''Mustangy nad Protektoratem'' I haven't had any opportunity to read the book so far.If it's possible try to upload the pic from the book,plaese.Perhaps this pic will make it clear.

BTW. Certainly I'm from Poland.I've been living on the South of Poland near Polish-Czech borderline for many years.Ostrava and Karvina were so close.Now I'm living on the North of my country.To be honest my ancestors came from Czech ( Tabor town ) and moved to Poland in 15 th century.My family lived in Wroclav for almost 200 years.And of course ,I have friend both in Cracov and Wroclav.My brother lives in Opole.Simply, this area it is my native one.Nice to meet another Polish-Czech guy.

zdravim moc,
Wojtek

[Konigstiger205]

The one with the 2 girls is definitely a g6/as and the first 2 pictures you can't really tell.

[seesul]

To Wurger:
Thanks for your prompty answer! It´s a pity you don´t live near the Czech/Polish border anymore...

To Königstiger:
my friend says it´s G-14AS. If you can read German, look at this:

1)Kinnbeule
2)Bsk 16
3)Antenmast des FuG 16 ZY unter der linken Tragfläche

1 und 3 ist typische für G-14/AS, nicht für G-6/AS oder G-6/ASy. Ersten GMaschinen der G-14/AS reihe erhielt Jagdwaffe seit August 1944(z.B. II./JG 27-Quelle: Jochen Prien : Chronik des II/JG27 S. 471,455, II./JG 53-Quelle: J.Prien/P.Rodeike:messerschmitt Bf 109 F,G,K Series,S.148,149

Or, shall I translate it? Anyway, thanks for your answer.

[Konigstiger205]

Thanks I may have jumped to conclusion to soon but I can't speak german although my nick is indeed german.