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| WORLD WAR 2 FIGHTER ARMAMENT EFFECTIVENESS I received this in an e-mail today. WORLD WAR 2 FIGHTER ARMAMENT EFFECTIVENESS © Anthony G Williams & Emmanuel Gustin (with acknowledgements to Henning Ruch) Revised 28 June 2004 The comparative effectiveness of fighter guns in the Second World War is a subject of perennial fascination (and a great deal of argument) among technical military historians. This is an attempt to take a fresh and objective look at the evidence in order to draw up comparative tables of cartridge destructiveness, gun power and gun efficiency. The effectiveness of typical day fighter armament fits is also considered. CARTRIDGE DESTRUCTIVENESS There are two types of energy that may be transmitted to the target; kinetic and chemical. The kinetic energy is a function of the projectile weight and the velocity with which it hits the target. This velocity in turn depends on three factors: The muzzle velocity, the ballistic properties of the projectile, and the distance to the target. There are therefore two fixed elements in calculating the destructiveness of a projectile, its weight and chemical (high explosive or incendiary) content, and one variable element, its velocity. The key issue is the relationship between these three factors. A high muzzle velocity will provide a short flight time, which is advantageous in increasing the hit probability and extending the effective range, and will also improve the penetration of AP rounds. However, it might not add much to destructiveness, as unless an AP projectile hits armour plate (and not much of the volume of an aircraft was protected by this), a higher velocity just ensures that a neater hole is punched through the aircraft; the extra kinetic energy is wasted. Also, if the projectile is primarily relying on HE blast or incendiary effect, the velocity with which it strikes the target is almost immaterial. Provided that it hits with sufficient force to penetrate the skin and activate the fuze, the damage inflicted will remain constant. In contrast, AP projectiles lose effectiveness with increasing distance. It is sometimes argued that a projectile with a high muzzle velocity and a good ballistic shape (which reduces the rate at which the initial velocity is lost) provides a longer effective range. To some extent this is true, but the greatest limitation on range in air fighting in the Second World War was the difficulty in shooting accurately. The problem of hitting a target moving in three dimensions from another also moving in three dimensions (and probably at a different speed and on a different heading) requires a complex calculation of range, heading and relative speed, while bearing in mind the flight time and trajectory of the projectiles. Today, such a problem can easily be solved by a ballistic computer linked to a radar or laser rangefinder, but at the time we are examining, the "radar" was the human eyeball and the "ballistic computer" the human brain. The range, heading and speed judgements made by the great majority of pilots were notoriously poor, even in training. And this was without considering the effects of air turbulence, G-forces when manoeuvring, and the stress of combat. These factors limited the effective shooting range to around 400 m against bombers (longer in a frontal attack) and against fighters more like 250 m. For all of these reasons muzzle energy (one half of the projectile weight multiplied by the square of the velocity) has not been used to calculate kinetic damage as this would overstate the importance of velocity. Instead, momentum (projectile weight multiplied by muzzle velocity) was used as an estimate of the kinetic damage inflicted by the projectile. It might be argued that even this overstates the importance of velocity in the case of HE shells, as noted above, but the effect of velocity in improving hit probability is one measure of effectiveness which needs acknowledging, so it is given equal weighting with projectile weight. Chemical energy is generated by the high explosive or incendiary material carried by most WW2 air-fighting projectiles. First, there is the difference between HE and incendiary material, which were often mixed (in very varying proportions) in the same shell. HE delivers instant destruction by blast effect (plus possibly setting light to inflammable material within its blast radius), incendiaries burn on their passage through the target, setting light to anything inflammable they meet on the way. The relationship between the effectiveness of HE and incendiary material is difficult to assess. Bearing in mind that fire was the big plane-killer, there appears to be no reason to rate HE as more important, so they have been treated as equal. The comparison between kinetic and chemical energy is the most difficult and complicated subject to tackle. This complexity is revealed by the example of a strike by a delay-fuzed HEI cannon projectile. This will first inflict kinetic damage on the target as it penetrates the structure. Then it will inflict chemical (blast) damage as the HE detonates. Thirdly, the shell fragments sent flying by the explosion will inflict further kinetic damage (a thin-walled shell will distribute lots of small fragments, a thick-walled shell fewer but larger chunks), and finally the incendiary material distributed by the explosion may cause further chemical (fire) damage. There will therefore always be a degree of arbitrariness in any attempt to compare kinetic and chemical energy, as it all depends on exactly where the projectile strikes, the detail design of the projectile and its fuze, and on the type of aircraft being attacked. To allow a simple comparison, we will reduce all these factors to an increase in effectiveness directly proportional to the chemical content of the projectile. We assign to projectiles that rely exclusively on kinetic energy an effectiveness factor of 100%. For projectiles with a chemical content, we increase this by the weight fraction of explosive or incendiary material, times ten. This chosen ratio is based on a study of many practical examples of gun and ammunition testing, and we will see below that it at least approximately corresponds with the known results of ammunition testing. To illustrate how this works: a typical cannon shell consists of 10% HE or incendiary material by weight. Multiplying this by ten gives a chemical contribution of 100%, adding the kinetic contribution of 100% gives a total of 200%. In other words, an HE/I shell of a given weight that contains 10% chemicals will generate twice the destructiveness of a plain steel shot of the same weight and velocity. If the shell is a high-capacity one with 20% chemical content, it will be three times as destructive. If it only has 5% content, the sum will be 150%, so it will be 50% more destructive, and so on.
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| Senior Member | a very interesting read and something to think about, i don't know enough to say if that theory works or nut but one thing bugged me when i read it Quote:
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| Thats not really brand new information.... Many of us understand the ballistics portion of combat arms.... Is it the summation at the bottom that ur wishing to discuss??? Quote:
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| You might want to check out this site: [url]http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hanger/8217/fgun/fgun-ta. you must post in your address box and tack on html to get it to work. wmaxt Last edited by wmaxt; 04-08-2006 at 06:54 PM. |
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| "World Traveller" ![]() | Interesting stuff.
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| What I love unendingly is the fact the we muse over ballistics unceasingly and guys in combat simply put whatever ordnance they were supplied with on target and killed enemies. Every cartridge used in the conflict was sufficient to kill enemies with the exception of .30 cals. and even then watch out if you have an old hand on you because he is capable of pinpointing them into your canopy which will not deflect them.
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| Senior Member | Precisely! It may matter what caliber is hitting the actual plane body, but I think that any bullet going throught the cockpit will hurt. In that case, I don't think the pilot would be worrying about what caliber guns are shooting at him.
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| There is a big difference between the ammunition and to pretend they're similar is a big mistake. Think about this..... what would you rather have hit your cockpit. A .50 that would just put a hole in whatever it strikes, or a 20mm that would explode and throw fragments around? Erich had a great thread several months ago showing how even the 20mm had different lethality depending on the type.
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| As I mentioned elsewhere 20s should have been THE standard fighter vs fighter round of WW 2. My gripe with armchair ballistics experts is that they completely discount the .50 API round as totally ineffective and nothing could be farther from the truth with many thousands of kills to its credit. Rounds in the thirty caliber category were completely worthless unless a great shooter could precisely lay them into your cockpit.
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| Sys, are all these e-mails from the same person? Sounds like it is some of Tony Williams work. http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/ Twitch, there is a guy on this forum, http://www.tgplanes.com/Public/snitz...asp?FORUM_ID=1 that thinks the .30s/7.92s were good enough to hold off Mossies. see the Mossie vs 110 thread Quote:
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| I dont think so. The e-mail I received was obviously passed around the 'net for quite some time. The e-mails that I get, if they have an identifying author, I always include that in my post.
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