Worst aircraft of WW2? - Page 55 - Aircraft of World War II

ccheese · 09-10-2007, 10:27 AM

Did anyone consider some of the Japanese aircraft ? The "Rufe" was a
floatplane fighter (?) that could also carry small bombs. Must have been
meat on the table for any allied fighter.......

Charles

Marcel · 09-10-2007, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 16KJV11

Marcel,
Is that a Dutch airplane on your posts?

Yep, Fokker G.I crashing over Ridderkerk during the last bombing of the Moerdijk bridges, not far from my home. The Emil that shot this plane is on display at Duxford.

planeman45 · 09-10-2007, 03:18 PM

I believe that there are quite a few candidates for the title of the worst aircraft of WW2. Blackburn Roc, as I believe someone mentioned in the beginning of th e thread, the Breda Ba. 88, or how bout the Curtiss Seamew. As empathetic I am with the Messersmmitt aircrafts.

Even the well-known Me 163 must be considered. Althought all those are candidates, I think I have to go with the the L.W.S.4 Zubr.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...lws_4_Zubr.jpg

Not only was this aircraft one of the ugliest, but also one of the most useless. The plane couldn't be flown with the undercarriage retracted. It was so overstressed that it was liable to disintegrate at any time. And worst of all, the Zubr was literally unable to take off with a bomb load heavier than...well, a crate of dog food....

wingnuts · 09-10-2007, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ccheese

Did anyone consider some of the Japanese aircraft ? The "Rufe" was a
floatplane fighter (?) that could also carry small bombs. Must have been
meat on the table for any allied fighter.......

Charles

The Nakajima A6M2-N "Rufe" was not a bad aircraft, a developement of the Reisen/Zero it was mainly designed to support and protect troops involved in amphibious invasions when carriers were not available or the invasion was beyond support of land based aircraft.

They were used in many roles, day and night bombing, spotting and it was an effective bomber interceptor. In well trained hands it was a match for most western fighters early in the war ..... it filled a gap that no other aircraft was able to fill.

It was outclassed by later western fighters like most variant of the A6M.

16KJV11 · 09-10-2007, 10:03 PM

Though I think the Breda 88 tops the dysfunctional aircraft list, Brewster's Buffalo is not far behind.

16KJV11 · 09-10-2007, 10:16 PM

Not to change the subject, but did the Japs buy and use operationally any German military aircraft? I'm especially interested in whether they used the ME 110.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 09-10-2007, 10:49 PM

There were no German aircraft that were bought by the Japanese in large number and used operationaly. The Japanese recieved several German aircraft for testing and some were influential in Japanese designs.

German aircraft tested by the Japanese:

Arado Ar 196
Bücker Bü 131B Jungmann
Dornier Do 15 Wal
Heinkel He 70 Blitz
Heinkel He 118
Heinkel He 50A
Heinkel He 112B V12 / B-1
Heinkel He 100D
Heinkel He 116A
Focke-Wulf Fw 190A-3/-5
Junkers F.6
Junkers F.13
Junkers Ju 86Z-2
Junkers Ju 87A-1
Junkers Ju 160
Messerschmitt Bf 108
Messerschmitt Bf 109E-3 / E-7
Messerschmitt Me 210A-2
Messerschmitt Me 163

planeman45 · 09-11-2007, 08:25 AM

thanks for the great list, i didn't know al of them were on it DerAdlerIstGelandet.

Juha · 09-11-2007, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 16KJV11

Though I think the Breda 88 tops the dysfunctional aircraft list, Brewster's Buffalo is not far behind.

Hello 16KJV11
Now in Finnish Air Force Brewster Model 239 (denavalized F2A-1) had something like 42:1 victory rate, ie aerial victory claims:air combat losses. To me that's not bad, in fact I think it's damn good.

Juha

16KJV11 · 09-12-2007, 04:59 PM

Ok, you got me, but I'm going to take a wild guess that they were flying against early Ruskie types, bombers and fighters.

Juha · 09-13-2007, 01:13 AM

Mostly, but they also claimed many newer Soviet fighters, Yaks, MiGs, LaGGs and La-5s. You can even see a list on Brewsters’ claims on page 11 on this very thread, Cheddar Cheese 04-12-2005, 10:09 AM.

Juha

Konigstiger205 · 09-13-2007, 03:34 AM

True what the Finish managed to do with the Buffalo its amazing.True pilots that demonstrated the whole world that you don't need the numbers or technology to win.

Juha · 09-14-2007, 09:15 AM

Argh
I's always better to check the facts before writing, so my IIRC claims was wrong and most of the FAF Brewster Model 239 claims were against later types, i.e. Hurricanes, P-40s and MiG-3s and later.

Juha

16KJV11 · 09-15-2007, 05:29 PM

My thoughts about the Brewster come from it's engagements against the Japanese.

Juha · 09-16-2007, 04:09 AM

Hello 16KJV11
now Dutch seemed to have thought that Brewster was better than Tropical Hurricane and IIRC British thought otherwise. But anyway it is difficult to agree with your claim that Brewster was worst a/c of WII but one.

09-10-2007, 10:27 AM	#811
ccheese Older Than Dirt Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Beach, Virginia Posts: 7,988	Did anyone consider some of the Japanese aircraft ? The "Rufe" was a floatplane fighter (?) that could also carry small bombs. Must have been meat on the table for any allied fighter....... Charles __________________ Good people sleep peacefully in their beds at night, only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." George Orwell

09-10-2007, 03:18 PM	#813
planeman45 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 7	my opinion its the L.W.S.4 Zubr I believe that there are quite a few candidates for the title of the worst aircraft of WW2. Blackburn Roc, as I believe someone mentioned in the beginning of th e thread, the Breda Ba. 88, or how bout the Curtiss Seamew. As empathetic I am with the Messersmmitt aircrafts. Even the well-known Me 163 must be considered. Althought all those are candidates, I think I have to go with the the L.W.S.4 Zubr. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...lws_4_Zubr.jpg Not only was this aircraft one of the ugliest, but also one of the most useless. The plane couldn't be flown with the undercarriage retracted. It was so overstressed that it was liable to disintegrate at any time. And worst of all, the Zubr was literally unable to take off with a bomb load heavier than...well, a crate of dog food....

09-10-2007, 10:03 PM	#815
16KJV11 Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Timbuktu Posts: 78	Though I think the Breda 88 tops the dysfunctional aircraft list, Brewster's Buffalo is not far behind. __________________ r2 If you think practicing what you preach is rough, just try preaching what you practice.

09-10-2007, 10:16 PM	#816
16KJV11 Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Timbuktu Posts: 78	Not to change the subject, but did the Japs buy and use operationally any German military aircraft? I'm especially interested in whether they used the ME 110. __________________ r2 If you think practicing what you preach is rough, just try preaching what you practice.

09-10-2007, 10:49 PM	#817
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 34,079	There were no German aircraft that were bought by the Japanese in large number and used operationaly. The Japanese recieved several German aircraft for testing and some were influential in Japanese designs. German aircraft tested by the Japanese: Arado Ar 196 Bücker Bü 131B Jungmann Dornier Do 15 Wal Heinkel He 70 Blitz Heinkel He 118 Heinkel He 50A Heinkel He 112B V12 / B-1 Heinkel He 100D Heinkel He 116A Focke-Wulf Fw 190A-3/-5 Junkers F.6 Junkers F.13 Junkers Ju 86Z-2 Junkers Ju 87A-1 Junkers Ju 160 Messerschmitt Bf 108 Messerschmitt Bf 109E-3 / E-7 Messerschmitt Me 210A-2 Messerschmitt Me 163 __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"

09-11-2007, 08:25 AM	#818
planeman45 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 7	thanks thanks for the great list, i didn't know al of them were on it DerAdlerIstGelandet.

09-12-2007, 04:59 PM	#820
16KJV11 Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Timbuktu Posts: 78	Ok, you got me, but I'm going to take a wild guess that they were flying against early Ruskie types, bombers and fighters. __________________ r2 If you think practicing what you preach is rough, just try preaching what you practice.

09-13-2007, 01:13 AM	#821
Juha Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Helsinki Posts: 1,561	Mostly, but they also claimed many newer Soviet fighters, Yaks, MiGs, LaGGs and La-5s. You can even see a list on Brewsters’ claims on page 11 on this very thread, Cheddar Cheese 04-12-2005, 10:09 AM. Juha

09-13-2007, 03:34 AM	#822
Konigstiger205 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bucharest Posts: 909	True what the Finish managed to do with the Buffalo its amazing.True pilots that demonstrated the whole world that you don't need the numbers or technology to win. __________________ These airplanes we have today are no more than a perfection of a child's toy made of paper."Henri Coanda"

09-14-2007, 09:15 AM	#823
Juha Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Helsinki Posts: 1,561	Argh I's always better to check the facts before writing, so my IIRC claims was wrong and most of the FAF Brewster Model 239 claims were against later types, i.e. Hurricanes, P-40s and MiG-3s and later. Juha

09-15-2007, 05:29 PM	#824
16KJV11 Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Timbuktu Posts: 78	My thoughts about the Brewster come from it's engagements against the Japanese. __________________ r2 If you think practicing what you preach is rough, just try preaching what you practice.

09-16-2007, 04:09 AM	#825
Juha Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Helsinki Posts: 1,561	Hello 16KJV11 now Dutch seemed to have thought that Brewster was better than Tropical Hurricane and IIRC British thought otherwise. But anyway it is difficult to agree with your claim that Brewster was worst a/c of WII but one.

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