Worst aircraft of WW2? - Page 8 - Aircraft of World War II

Nonskimmer · 03-13-2005, 02:03 PM

Even better, I'm Nova Scotian!

the lancaster kicks ass · 03-13-2005, 02:05 PM

oh dear God..........

Nonskimmer · 03-13-2005, 02:07 PM

Yeah, that's what everyone says.

cheddar cheese · 03-13-2005, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass

well the border's not that bad but it'd look better if they were all black and white...........

Can you not see that pattern?

the lancaster kicks ass · 03-14-2005, 11:53 AM

i see the pattern but it doesn't look right..........

acesman · 03-21-2005, 02:05 PM

I would like to nominate the HE-177 as a contender, though perhaps as an idea of how not to design a bomber than as a poor performer. The following is from http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/28...177/he177.html

The He 177 served as a five/six-seat heavy bomber from 1942 to 1945. The Greif (Griffin) was the only long-range heavy bomber built by the Luftwaffe in World War II in significant numbers. It was, to the good fortune of the Allies, one of the most trouble-plagued and accident-prone aircraft in existence, and the German crews and ground staff did not like it either. The plane was desgined to meet a misguided and impossible goal of 1938 that not only demanded long range with heavy bomb load and a speed of 536km/h but also required the big bomber to be able to divebomb. This and many other difficulties caused great delays and added to the weight. The designers wanted to use neat remotely controlled guns but this was a big problem and eventually it had to be discarded in favor of the ordinary turrets or hand-aimed guns. Worse yet, it was decided to use four engines and pack them in two coupled pairs to reduce drag, so that the He 177 looked like a twin-engined aircraft. Although great efforts were made by Daimler-Benz to make the 2,950hp DB 610A twinned units work properly, they created numerous problems and caught fire so often that - like an aircraft of World War I - the big Heinkel was dubbed "the flaming coffin." In total more than 1,000 of many versions were built. Armed with various combinations of 20mm cannon, 13mm heavy machine guns and rifle-caliber guns, the He 177 carried up to 6,011kg of bombs or missiles, and in some types even went into action at "nought feet" as tank-busters carrying huge 50 or 75mm caliber cannons. Late in the war some new versions, like the He 274 built in France and He 277 in Austria, had four separate engines, but they were too late to have any significant influence in the course of the war.

mosquitoman · 03-21-2005, 02:26 PM

Sounds almost like a Manchester, you know they had to be able to be catapult launched

cheddar cheese · 03-21-2005, 04:23 PM

AH its all in metric, dreadful, evil metric!

Nonskimmer · 03-21-2005, 05:21 PM

Yeah, we never had weather this crappy before we switched to the metric system!

So said my great-grandfather, anyway.

cheddar cheese · 03-21-2005, 05:32 PM

the lancaster kicks ass · 03-22-2005, 01:56 PM

he sounds like a great man...........

redcoat · 03-31-2005, 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass

the design for the lancaster did not come about because of the problems with the manchester, even before the manchester entered production roy chaddwic started working on designs for a four engined replacement..........

The Lancaster came about because Avro found out that the engines on the Manchester were not going to deliver the expected power.
So he re-designed the Manchester Mk III to have 4 engines
http://www.aviation-history.com/avro/683.html

the lancaster kicks ass · 03-31-2005, 01:06 PM

no, Chackwick started designs for a four engined bomber before the manchester even entered production, in service the manchester airframe proved very good, so he simply used that and 4 engines, Chadwick never liked the vulture engine, he only used them on the manchester because all merlin production was earmarked for the fighters, he always wanted to use the merlins, and he did on the lancaster...........

GT · 04-04-2005, 12:23 PM

Update.

mosquitoman · 04-04-2005, 12:49 PM

The Manchester had similar stats, of 202 built 50 crashed through engine problems

03-13-2005, 02:05 PM	#107
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	oh dear God.......... __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

03-14-2005, 11:53 AM	#110
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	i see the pattern but it doesn't look right.......... __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

03-21-2005, 02:26 PM	#112
mosquitoman Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Saffron Walden/Sheffield Posts: 2,991	Sounds almost like a Manchester, you know they had to be able to be catapult launched __________________ When you realise that the light at the end of the tunnel is actually an oncoming train, you know it's time to run for your life

03-22-2005, 01:56 PM	#116
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	he sounds like a great man........... __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

03-31-2005, 01:06 PM	#118
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	no, Chackwick started designs for a four engined bomber before the manchester even entered production, in service the manchester airframe proved very good, so he simply used that and 4 engines, Chadwick never liked the vulture engine, he only used them on the manchester because all merlin production was earmarked for the fighters, he always wanted to use the merlins, and he did on the lancaster........... __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

03-13-2005, 02:03 PM	#106
Nonskimmer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 8,871	Even better, I'm Nova Scotian!

03-13-2005, 02:07 PM	#108
Nonskimmer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 8,871	Yeah, that's what everyone says.

03-21-2005, 02:05 PM	#111
acesman Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 24	I would like to nominate the HE-177 as a contender, though perhaps as an idea of how not to design a bomber than as a poor performer. The following is from http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/28...177/he177.html The He 177 served as a five/six-seat heavy bomber from 1942 to 1945. The Greif (Griffin) was the only long-range heavy bomber built by the Luftwaffe in World War II in significant numbers. It was, to the good fortune of the Allies, one of the most trouble-plagued and accident-prone aircraft in existence, and the German crews and ground staff did not like it either. The plane was desgined to meet a misguided and impossible goal of 1938 that not only demanded long range with heavy bomb load and a speed of 536km/h but also required the big bomber to be able to divebomb. This and many other difficulties caused great delays and added to the weight. The designers wanted to use neat remotely controlled guns but this was a big problem and eventually it had to be discarded in favor of the ordinary turrets or hand-aimed guns. Worse yet, it was decided to use four engines and pack them in two coupled pairs to reduce drag, so that the He 177 looked like a twin-engined aircraft. Although great efforts were made by Daimler-Benz to make the 2,950hp DB 610A twinned units work properly, they created numerous problems and caught fire so often that - like an aircraft of World War I - the big Heinkel was dubbed "the flaming coffin." In total more than 1,000 of many versions were built. Armed with various combinations of 20mm cannon, 13mm heavy machine guns and rifle-caliber guns, the He 177 carried up to 6,011kg of bombs or missiles, and in some types even went into action at "nought feet" as tank-busters carrying huge 50 or 75mm caliber cannons. Late in the war some new versions, like the He 274 built in France and He 277 in Austria, had four separate engines, but they were too late to have any significant influence in the course of the war.

03-21-2005, 04:23 PM	#113
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	AH its all in metric, dreadful, evil metric!

03-21-2005, 05:21 PM	#114
Nonskimmer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 8,871	Yeah, we never had weather this crappy before we switched to the metric system! So said my great-grandfather, anyway.

03-21-2005, 05:32 PM	#115
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387

04-04-2005, 12:23 PM	#119
GT Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 503	Update. Last edited by GT; 04-03-2006 at 02:48 AM.

04-04-2005, 12:49 PM	#120
mosquitoman Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Saffron Walden/Sheffield Posts: 2,991	The Manchester had similar stats, of 202 built 50 crashed through engine problems __________________ When you realise that the light at the end of the tunnel is actually an oncoming train, you know it's time to run for your life

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