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07-29-2005, 04:54 PM
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07-29-2005, 05:12 PM
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07-29-2005, 05:16 PM
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07-29-2005, 06:56 PM
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Country:  | from wht i've read hear the breda 88 sort of wins but my heart still goes to the defiant and if were gonna go to a/c that never did anything like the botha my vote would go to that great canadian a/c known as the Canadian Vickers (Northrop) Delta http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2689.htm
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07-30-2005, 04:59 AM
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Country: | I wouldnt consider the Defiant to be honest - If you think its bad, then consider the Blackburn B-25 Roc. It was supposed to intercept bombers....except it wasnt as fast as the German bombers  I still dont think its Breda 88 bad, because it could fly, but still pretty poor.
Fighter developed from 136 aircrafts Skua, armed with a four-gun turret. This shipboard equivalent to the Defiant suffered not only from a bad tactical concept but also from having ridiculous performance for a fighter. After a few months it was relegated to training duties. The Roc could be equipped with floats, but only three ever were.
Primary function Fighter
Power plant One 9cylinder Bristol Perseus XII radial engine
Thrust 905 HP 675 kW
Wingspan 46 ft 14.02 m
Length 35 ft 10.67 m
Height 12.4 ft 3.79 m
Wingarea 310 sq ft 28.8 sq m
Weight empty 5,018 lb 2,276 kg
max. 8,800 lb 3,992 kg
Speed 196 mph 315 km/h
Ceiling 17,720 ft 5,400 m
Range 800 mi 1,287 km
Armament 4x 7.7mm machine gun; 110 kg bombs
Crew Two
First flight 23.12.1938
Date deployed April 1939
Number built 136  http://www.military.cz/british/air/w...ua/skua_en.htm
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07-30-2005, 05:01 AM
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Country:  | The Defiant had some early success, so it cannot possibly be in the running for worst aircraft of the war.
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07-30-2005, 07:55 AM
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Country: | no there's no way the defiant was the worst, besides it's not the defiant's fault, the whole idea of turret fighters is flawed.......
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07-30-2005, 08:58 AM
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Country: | With more power and some fixed forward firing guns it might have worked.
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07-30-2005, 09:00 AM
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Country: | With a new fuselage, four-engines, fork-tail, more crew and a big bomb bay it could have been quite good as a bomber, I reckon.
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07-30-2005, 09:03 AM
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07-30-2005, 09:22 AM
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07-30-2005, 12:20 PM
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07-31-2005, 12:23 PM
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07-31-2005, 01:34 PM
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| Re the Defiant it should have been possible to make a decent GA aircraft, after all it did go 300mph with a heavy turret and an early Merlin.
Take the turret out put in a rear gunner, couple of 20mm in the wings and you should be able to have a decent bombload. May not be the greatest GA in the world but a lot better than nothiing which is what we had GA wise at the time.
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07-31-2005, 01:36 PM
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Country: | well at the time we didn't need ground attack, unless it could penetrate into france from england, we have no use for it!! what needed at this time was fighters!! for every ground attack defiant, that's one less fighter to take on the luftwaffe...........
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