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08-28-2005, 12:42 PM
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Country:  | I don't know if it could be considered the worst but it's certainly one for the running. The Vought-Sikorsky SB2U Vindicator (Chesapeake in RN service).
It achieved nothing. For 1937 it was a modern aircraft for USN standards but with the inclusion of modern military equipment it was under-powered and obselete by the start of the war. Those in FAA service were replaced by Swordfish Mk.IIs.
It was supposed to be carrier capable but it turned out to have too long of a take-off length to take off from a carrier. 50% of the casualties in them were due to carrier training accidents upon it's introduction. 30% of all built were lost to the enemy.
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08-28-2005, 01:04 PM
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Country:  | I guess the Midway based Vindicators did some damage during that battle. Still, not an aircraft I would feel comfortable in, I'd take an SBD anyday!
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09-15-2005, 04:11 PM
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Country:  | The TBD Devastator was for it's own crews, with an entire squadron wiped out in a matter of minutes at Midway. | |
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09-15-2005, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Dac The TBD Devastator was for it's own crews, with an entire squadron wiped out in a matter of minutes at Midway. | They showed their vulnerability at Coral Sea. At least they were pulled from service after the Midway Massacre!
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09-15-2005, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ They showed their vulnerability at Coral Sea. At least they were pulled from service after the Midway Massacre! | I guess it was all they had until the Avenger could be delivered in enough numbers. | |
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09-15-2005, 04:48 PM
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Country: | Yep - and even after Midway and the introduction of the Avenger in understand torpedo bombing was accomplished on a limited basis.
The Japanese were extremely fearful of torpedo bombers - Karma from Pearl Harbor?
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09-15-2005, 04:56 PM
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Country: | I guess torpedoing ships anchored in harbor is easier than in the open ocean. | |
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09-21-2005, 03:52 PM
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| Well as it seems that this thread is with qualifying guideline's yet.
I propose that the worst plane was one that crashed landed or just crashed every-time it took to the air and was very underpowered.
That being any glider aircraft used in the war. 
JUST KIDDING!
I think you will find that all pre war combat aircraft had a tough time dealing with the reality of war. | |
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09-21-2005, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by F4D I think you will find that all pre war combat aircraft had a tough time dealing with the reality of war. | Yes, thats true as far as it goes, of course the first rule of war is that all preconcieved ideas are wrong. There were also a few that rose to the occasion.
The P-40 was a hard worker durring the war and the P-38 held it's own in the begining and grew to true greatnes. In fact the P-38 in K format was the equal of any end of war design.
The Spitfire and Hurricane reacted similarly.
B-17 and the B-25 also rose to the occasion and carved out their niches.
How many others?
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09-21-2005, 05:12 PM
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| My bad! I was thinking of the TBD and the Defiant when I wrote that. 
Look at the record of the Finnish Ace Eino Juuttilainen with the Buffalo (34 of his 94) and Aleksandr Pokryshkin of the Soviet Union with the P-39 (45 of his 59). The Finn faced 22 different fighter types built by both the British and Americans (flown by Russians) and the Soviet's and never got so much as a hole in his aircraft. 
Some pre war birds could hang after all. Even if they didn't have the base
to be better developed in the war. | |
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09-21-2005, 05:17 PM
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| Ju88 did a fair job from the beginning to the end of the war
109 is an obvious one plus Sunderland, Catalina and Wildcat.
The Wellington didn't make it to the end of the war in great numbers at the front line service but its record was nothing to be ashamed about and someone would shoot me if I don't include the Swordfish. | |
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09-21-2005, 06:48 PM
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| Well one plane that started out as a death trap was the Henschel 129. But put a big gun on it and some Russian tanks in front of it and BOOM! You have the A-10's uncle.
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10-01-2005, 10:22 PM
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But put a big gun on it and some Russian tanks in front of it and BOOM! You have the A-10's uncle.
| Good example there. The east would have been littered with Soviet T-34 tanks!
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10-02-2005, 03:06 PM
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10-12-2005, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by wmaxt Quote: |
Originally Posted by F4D I think you will find that all pre war combat aircraft had a tough time dealing with the reality of war. | Yes, thats true as far as it goes, of course the first rule of war is that all preconcieved ideas are wrong. There were also a few that rose to the occasion.
The P-40 was a hard worker durring the war and the P-38 held it's own in the begining and grew to true greatnes. In fact the P-38 in K format was the equal of any end of war design.
The Spitfire and Hurricane reacted similarly.
B-17 and the B-25 also rose to the occasion and carved out their niches.
How many others?
wmaxt | Look at the B-26 or the Hs-129 for example. Crew actually refused to fly in them but by the end of the war they racked up great war records.
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