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01-29-2007, 02:44 AM
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#646 | | Junior Member
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Country:  | i think it might of been the Heinkel 177 Griffon or something that had a habit of falling out of the sky or catching fire. Hitler once called it a piece of crap. Of course some of the italian planes were pretty bad too. | 
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01-29-2007, 10:21 AM
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#647 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | He He-177 definatly was a piece...
The coupled engines is what ruined an otherwise good design.
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01-29-2007, 11:57 PM
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| If you had asked my half-sister's grandfather about which was the worst aircraft of WW2, he never would have mentioned the Brewster B-239 Buffalo. His name was Hans Henrik "Hasse" Wind, and he scored a total of 75 air-to-air kills, of which 31 flying THE ONE AND THE SAME BUFFALO, BW-363. The total kill tally for that single aeroplane was 41. 
SO STOP CLAIMING THAT BUFFALO WAS THE WORST!
It simply wasn't. It may have been "obsolete" but many, many GREAT aircraft became obsolete during the war. For example:
Vickers Wellington, maybe the best armed medium bomber at start of the war, totally obsolete as bomber by 1943
Bristol Blenheim, fastest bomber in the world between 1937-1939, totally obsolete as bomber by 1943
Hawker Hurricane, the hero of BoB, TOTALLY obsolete in A-to-A role by 1944
etc etc
If some of you say Buffalo was the worst, why not say Fokker D.XXI? A bit over 400 kph top speed, 4 x .303 armament? BECAUSE it was just obsolete by WWII! It's that simple. | |
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01-30-2007, 06:37 AM
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Country:  | Well put!!! Keep in mind the B-239s used by Finland were a lot lighter than the ones used by the US Marines at Midway, but your point is well taken...
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01-31-2007, 11:02 AM
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#650 | | Master of Ewes
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Country:  | and it is one which have have made several times over, but for the new guys that come along ever so often and for some reason all pick the buffallo  i believe "aircraft" like the Ba-88 are more deserving.........
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01-31-2007, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass  and it is one which have have made several times over, but for the new guys that come along ever so often and for some reason all pick the buffallo i believe "aircraft" like the Ba-88 are more deserving......... | Agree...
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01-31-2007, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass and it is one which have have made several times over, but for the new guys that come along ever so often and for some reason all pick the buffallo i believe "aircraft" like the Ba-88 are more deserving......... | Agreed as well, it is similar to the way everyone picks the P-51 for best fighter...
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01-31-2007, 11:31 AM
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#653 | | Master of Ewes
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02-07-2007, 03:26 PM
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Country:  | A logical question is always: "was the aircraft a bad design or were the requirements along which it was designed, wrong?"
Such an attitude gives a more correct view on aircraft like the Heinkel He 177 or Breda Ba.65. The latter was a light bomber in the same category as the Sukhoi Su-2 or Fairey Battle (and in a way as the Stuka). Although they are classical examples of 'bad aircraft' I believe it would be closer to the truth to state that the 'light bomber' concept was outdated.
For the Ba.88 however, there are hardly any excuses 
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02-07-2007, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ Well put!!! Keep in mind the B-239s used by Finland were a lot lighter than the ones used by the US Marines at Midway, but your point is well taken... | And the Fins were up against an enemy without the experience or refined doctine of the Marines at Midway. The Japanese pilots were amongst the best in the world at that point. The Marines were barely out of training. Put it all together and you have the makings for the slaughter that ensued. | |
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02-11-2007, 06:06 PM
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Country: | I've not gone thru all 43 pages of this thread but want to point out something about the Devastator. According to Osprey's combat aircraft series on the TBD, it had no losses to Japanese fighters OR flak until Midway. that's six months of combat without any losses in flight. Midway of course was a disaster, but it wasn't a pointless mission either. The TBDs brought the enemy CAP down to wavetop level so the SBDs could deliver the punch.
I've known a couple of TBD pilots and they liked the airplane. Wanted more power, but that's not unusual. | |
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02-11-2007, 06:41 PM
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02-11-2007, 10:20 PM
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Its engines were its downfall. | |
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02-11-2007, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bigZ Any mention of the Bachem Natter or the Ohka yet? | They were mentioned earlier.
The Natter never saw service and the only major strike using Ohkas was intercepted by Hellcats, most of the Betty mother ships jettisoned their loads to evade destruction.
If I remember there were at least 2 successful Ohka attacks, one of them sank a USN destroyer - the Ohka cut it in half!
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02-11-2007, 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Biplane pilot I've not gone thru all 43 pages of this thread but want to point out something about the Devastator. According to Osprey's combat aircraft series on the TBD, it had no losses to Japanese fighters OR flak until Midway. that's six months of combat without any losses in flight. Midway of course was a disaster, but it wasn't a pointless mission either. The TBDs brought the enemy CAP down to wavetop level so the SBDs could deliver the punch.
I've known a couple of TBD pilots and they liked the airplane. Wanted more power, but that's not unusual. | I do believe some were lost at Coral Sea. They did help sink one Japanese carrier.
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