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09-10-2007, 10:27 AM
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#811 | | Older Than Dirt
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Country:  | Did anyone consider some of the Japanese aircraft ? The "Rufe" was a
floatplane fighter (?) that could also carry small bombs. Must have been
meat on the table for any allied fighter.......
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09-10-2007, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 16KJV11  Marcel,
Is that a Dutch airplane on your posts? | Yep, Fokker G.I crashing over Ridderkerk during the last bombing of the Moerdijk bridges, not far from my home. The Emil that shot this plane is on display at Duxford.
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09-10-2007, 03:18 PM
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Country:  | my opinion its the L.W.S.4 Zubr
I believe that there are quite a few candidates for the title of the worst aircraft of WW2. Blackburn Roc, as I believe someone mentioned in the beginning of th e thread, the Breda Ba. 88, or how bout the Curtiss Seamew. As empathetic I am with the Messersmmitt aircrafts.
Even the well-known Me 163 must be considered. Althought all those are candidates, I think I have to go with the the L.W.S.4 Zubr. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...lws_4_Zubr.jpg
Not only was this aircraft one of the ugliest, but also one of the most useless. The plane couldn't be flown with the undercarriage retracted. It was so overstressed that it was liable to disintegrate at any time. And worst of all, the Zubr was literally unable to take off with a bomb load heavier than...well, a crate of dog food.... | |
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09-10-2007, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ccheese Did anyone consider some of the Japanese aircraft ? The "Rufe" was a
floatplane fighter (?) that could also carry small bombs. Must have been
meat on the table for any allied fighter.......
Charles | The Nakajima A6M2-N "Rufe" was not a bad aircraft, a developement of the Reisen/Zero it was mainly designed to support and protect troops involved in amphibious invasions when carriers were not available or the invasion was beyond support of land based aircraft.
They were used in many roles, day and night bombing, spotting and it was an effective bomber interceptor. In well trained hands it was a match for most western fighters early in the war ..... it filled a gap that no other aircraft was able to fill.
It was outclassed by later western fighters like most variant of the A6M. | |
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09-10-2007, 10:03 PM
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Country: | Though I think the Breda 88 tops the dysfunctional aircraft list, Brewster's Buffalo is not far behind.
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09-10-2007, 10:16 PM
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Country: | Not to change the subject, but did the Japs buy and use operationally any German military aircraft? I'm especially interested in whether they used the ME 110.
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09-10-2007, 10:49 PM
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Country:  | There were no German aircraft that were bought by the Japanese in large number and used operationaly. The Japanese recieved several German aircraft for testing and some were influential in Japanese designs.
German aircraft tested by the Japanese:
Arado Ar 196
Bücker Bü 131B Jungmann
Dornier Do 15 Wal
Heinkel He 70 Blitz
Heinkel He 118
Heinkel He 50A
Heinkel He 112B V12 / B-1
Heinkel He 100D
Heinkel He 116A
Focke-Wulf Fw 190A-3/-5
Junkers F.6
Junkers F.13
Junkers Ju 86Z-2
Junkers Ju 87A-1
Junkers Ju 160
Messerschmitt Bf 108
Messerschmitt Bf 109E-3 / E-7
Messerschmitt Me 210A-2
Messerschmitt Me 163
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09-11-2007, 08:25 AM
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thanks for the great list, i didn't know al of them were on it DerAdlerIstGelandet. | |
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09-11-2007, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 16KJV11 Though I think the Breda 88 tops the dysfunctional aircraft list, Brewster's Buffalo is not far behind. | Hello 16KJV11
Now in Finnish Air Force Brewster Model 239 (denavalized F2A-1) had something like 42:1 victory rate, ie aerial victory claims:air combat losses. To me that's not bad, in fact I think it's damn good.
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09-12-2007, 04:59 PM
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Country: | Ok, you got me, but I'm going to take a wild guess that they were flying against early Ruskie types, bombers and fighters.
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09-13-2007, 01:13 AM
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Country: | Mostly, but they also claimed many newer Soviet fighters, Yaks, MiGs, LaGGs and La-5s. You can even see a list on Brewsters’ claims on page 11 on this very thread, Cheddar Cheese 04-12-2005, 10:09 AM.
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09-13-2007, 03:34 AM
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Country:  | True what the Finish managed to do with the Buffalo its amazing.True pilots that demonstrated the whole world that you don't need the numbers or technology to win.
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09-14-2007, 09:15 AM
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I's always better to check the facts before writing, so my IIRC claims was wrong and most of the FAF Brewster Model 239 claims were against later types, i.e. Hurricanes, P-40s and MiG-3s and later.
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09-15-2007, 05:29 PM
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Country: | My thoughts about the Brewster come from it's engagements against the Japanese.
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09-16-2007, 04:09 AM
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now Dutch seemed to have thought that Brewster was better than Tropical Hurricane and IIRC British thought otherwise. But anyway it is difficult to agree with your claim that Brewster was worst a/c of WII but one. | |
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