Worst aircraft of WW2? (Continued)

[Marcel]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

That is the title of the thread. You don't have to repeat the title. That is called spamming.

at least he's not selling chinese crap

[Kruska]

[quote=Njaco

Kruska, I'm with you on the 210. Even the first flight, the pilot deemed it a death trap. At least until they lengthened the fuselage and change the tail alittle. Always wondered if it was a sick Luftwaffe joke sending them to Bulgaria.[/QUOTE]

Hello Njaco,

sorry but it was Hungaria,

BTW interesting what WIKI... has to say, or lets say rather the Hungarians

Quote: The Hungarian authorities were however satisfied with the Me 210 in its current state, and purchased a production license for the type, as well as for its DB 605 engines. Several airframes were also purchased, to be completed in Hungarian factories for practice while the assembly lines were set up. Production started in the Dunai Repülőgépgyár Rt. (Danubian Aricraft Plant) as the Me 210C with the DB 605B engine, under an agreement where the Luftwaffe got two of every three produced.

In practice, the Hungarian Me 210C was so superior to the German Me 210A that it was planned to fold its design features into a new Me 210D model. However, this was eventually developed into the Messerschmitt Me 410.

Well at least Mr. Messer made some extra $$ on the Bf110.

Regards
Kruska

[buzzard]

How about Brewster's Helldiver rival, the SB2A Buccaneer/Bermuda? They made over a thousand of these clunkers, and not one* ever flew a combat mission

Bad as the Me210 was, at least it did something...

* The Brits may have used a few in the CBI, but I haven't seen any records that confirm the rumours. Anyone know anything?

[Njaco]

Right Kruska, it was a quick post and I had brain-lock.

Its interesting how the Germans didn't like the 210 yet the Hungarians were able to use it effectively per se. Somewhat like the Buffalo and the Finns.

Are you sure about the production numbers? "Me 210/410 In Action" sqdrn/Signal has that along with the 210 the license also allowed production of Bf 109, Ju 52 and Ar 96. Total production of the 210 was 270 aircraft of which 110 were delivered to the Luftwaffe. Doesn't seem to be 2 out of 3 so maybe it was 2 out every 3 total types built in Hungary?

[kool kitty89]

At least the SB2A (Bermuda) served as target tugs, same as many Roc's, and Battle's ended up as.

I wonder why performance was so poor in reality. (in addition to the USN already having no need due to the SBD)

[Waynos]

Brewster should get a special mention for being consistently crap, at one point during WW2 the US Navy marched into their factory and shut them down, that this should happen to a defence contractor in the middle of a war is amazing.

[Kruska]

Originally Posted by Njaco

Right Kruska, it was a quick post and I had brain-lock.

Its interesting how the Germans didn't like the 210 yet the Hungarians were able to use it effectively per se. Somewhat like the Buffalo and the Finns.

Are you sure about the production numbers? "Me 210/410 In Action" sqdrn/Signal has that along with the 210 the license also allowed production of Bf 109, Ju 52 and Ar 96. Total production of the 210 was 270 aircraft of which 110 were delivered to the Luftwaffe. Doesn't seem to be 2 out of 3 so maybe it was 2 out every 3 total types built in Hungary?

Hello Njaco,

Brain Lock/Freeze? Don’t you know that you are supposed to fit the straw to your mouth and not through your nostrils when you enjoy your ice blended mocca?

Well I would think that Squadron Signal might be more correct on this issue then WIKI. What makes me wonder is, what kind of changes the Hungarians undertook in order to be so satisfied with their Me210.

Maybe it is like you said, really very comparable with the Finns and the Buffalo – meaning that the Hungarians might not have been so spoiled by their own air force’s aircrafts as the Germans.

Regards
Kruska

[fly boy]

tbd and buffalo

[parsifal]

Well done flyboy, so you do speak english

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I am just going to start deleting spam posts.

[Njaco]

Here are some changes effected by the Hungarians.

Me 210A-0 was re-engined with 1475 hp DB 605B engines without MW 1 Methanol injection. It was used as a pattern aircraft with lengthened fuselage and wing leading egde slots. Other than engines, the variants produced by Hungary were essentially the same as modified by Messerschmitt.

One modification was a Me 210Ca-1 into an assault aircraft with MG 17 mg replaced by a single 40mm 39M type AA cannon and 3 150mm Nebelwerfer rocket tubes mounted under each wing. Only 4 were actually produced.

Pretty interesting stuff. One group, 102 Gyorsbombazo osztaly between Aug 44 and march 45 flew 800 missions and shot down 20 to 25 Soviet aircraft. Pretty good for a ground attack unit.

Maybe standards were different between the two air forces and the 210 didn't fit what Germany was looking for. From what I've read the 210 was a pretty poor aircaft and I'm surprised that anyone even tried to fly it operationally.

[Kruska]

Originally Posted by Njaco

Pretty interesting stuff. One group, 102 Gyorsbombazo osztaly between Aug 44 and march 45 flew 800 missions and shot down 20 to 25 Soviet aircraft. Pretty good for a ground attack unit.

Hello Njaco,

Yes pretty interesting, would you have a link were I could backtrack on this Hungarian operational experience with the 210?

Regards
Kruska

[Njaco]

Unfortunately no, I was quoting from that book, "Me 210/410 in Action." Only reference I have that mentions any Hungarian 210s.

[Trautloft]

those who are interested in pics and so, and other types of Hungarian Air Force used(like horrible Caproni bombers) or the Ju-86 in a bomber role, visit the topic i made earlier

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/air...raft-8284.html (Hungarian aircraft)

[Njaco]

Thanks, Traut, I thought there might be a thread.