Worst aircraft of WW2? (Continued)

Flyboy2 · 08-11-2008, 03:08 PM

I think we've already done that haven't we?

maverick61 · 08-18-2008, 07:17 AM

Bolton paul defiant.what use after 1940.

Vraciu · 08-18-2008, 07:56 AM

Me 163 Komet, all russian planes 1941-1943.

B-17engineer · 08-20-2008, 09:12 AM

The Ilyushin Il-2 wasn't a bad plane......

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-20-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by B-17engineer

The Ilyushin Il-2 wasn't a bad plane......

Then why did you bring it up in the "Worst Aircraft" thread?

Marcel · 08-20-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Then why did you bring it up in the "Worst Aircraft" thread?

I think he answered Vraciu.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-20-2008, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcel

I think he answered Vraciu.

Then he needs to start using the quote button!

moomoo2 · 08-21-2008, 04:13 PM

The ME210 was crap, couldn't fly level or turn and stalled all the time. it had such a bad rep that the Hungarian improved C variant had to be called the 410 just to make it look new. So crap actually it was replaced in production by the 110

moomoo2 · 08-21-2008, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by namvet68

My pick is the American F2A Buffalo. This plane should never have been allow into the playing field of WWII.

The Finnish loved the Buffalo, they just learned to fly it to its strengths and did just fine. It can' be that crap

Vraciu · 08-22-2008, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by B-17engineer

The Ilyushin Il-2 wasn't a bad plane......

For German fighters was excellent! They can shot down Il-2 so easy...

Marcel · 08-22-2008, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Vraciu

For German fighters was excellent! They can shot down Il-2 so easy...

I don't think so. The a/c was quite effective. Maybe not the best, but definately a good close support a/c. I think the quality of the russian pilots contributed more to the a/c being shot down than the quality of the plane.

kool kitty89 · 08-22-2008, 02:26 AM

The Il-2 was pretty much a sitting duck aganst enemy fighters. And as long as they had decent cannon it wasn't too hard to deal with. (and even with machine guns alone the belly mounted oil cooler was a big target) It needed decent fighter support to survive.

Certainly not the worst a/c though.

I think that's pretty much down to the Ba.88, Roc, Me 210, and maybe a couple others.

Juha · 08-22-2008, 04:38 AM

KK
I would not call the oil cooler of Il-2 as a big target. And it wasn't so easy to hit under fuselage oil-cooler when Il-2 was hedge-hopping. Il-2 wasn't invulnerable, there was a couple effective ways to deal it, but one needed deflection shooting and the other usually meant use of lot of ammo. Normal 109 was a bit weakly armed on Il-busting, R/6s had enough firepower for the job as had 190As. Of course for a good shooter normal 109 was usually enough but sometimes even them were frustrated seeing smoking Il-2 still staying airborne after they had shot their ammo at it.

Juha

kool kitty89 · 08-22-2008, 05:35 AM

I wouldn't want to try to take one down in a Hurricane Mk.I or a Hawk 75 though.
Did the Finns have success against them in Brewsters?

And the oil cooler would be vulnerable to ground fire too. (It seems odd though, they go through the trouble of burrying the radiator behind the engine, but put the oil cooler on the belly)

Juha · 08-22-2008, 08:10 AM

KK
I cannot remember how it was with B-239 but Hawk 75As seemed to have shot down (I mean really shot down not merely claimed) 5 Il-2s, but it was hard and difficult, usually they were only capable to damage Il-2s.

IIRC oil cooled was in armoured tunnel so it was vulnerable only to fire from more to less straight ahead or from more to less straight from behind. Maybe VVS calculated that Il-2s flying near front line were more likely to reach own area when hit into oil cooler that when hit into radiator and so recoverable for repairs and further use.

And worst a/c candidates, Breda Br. 88, Saro Lerwick and Blackburn Botha

Juha