WW2 fighter turning performance comparisons

Glider · 08-12-2007, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Crumpp

I Especially since the utility of a glider is rather small. "Fun toy" is about as far it gets IMHO when considering Glider ownership. Shame as you really need some decent piloting skills to get the most out of them.

I must not comment on the average PPL, I must not comment on the average PPL, I must not comment on the average PPL, I must not comment on the average PPL,

FLYBOYJ · 08-12-2007, 11:45 AM

Crumpp - what type of plane do you own? I work at the USAFA on the soaring program.

Crumpp · 08-12-2007, 12:51 PM

Socata MS894A on the East Coast.

http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgMakeModel.nsf/0/0b315259f82b9463862572ac005464f2/$FILE/7a14.pdf

Airliners.net Photos: Untitled (Fluggruppe Hasenstrick) Socata MS 894A

All the best,

Crumpp

drgondog · 08-12-2007, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Glider

I must not comment on the average PPL, I must not comment on the average PPL, I must not comment on the average PPL, I must not comment on the average PPL,

Lol! Glider.

I actually had about five or six rides in a glider back in late 50's when my father taught me how to fly.

His theory was that I would more quickly learn how to a.) perform a co ordinated turn and b.) obtain quick 'power' off judgment and skills for the 'just in case' scenario than just being exposed to powered flight.

I also did my first stalls and landings in a glider before advancing to next stage of my tutorials..

and he was right.

Crumpp · 08-12-2007, 01:23 PM

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I must not comment on the average PPL,

LOL yep. Well being an engineer does not make you a pilot and neither does being a pilot make you an engineer.

I admit to hearing some somewhat ignorant statements about the science of flight coming from the pilot's lounge. Statements like a wing which "generates more lift" and "having excess lift" come to mind.

This has to be caveated with the fact that on a practical level those kind of statements make perfect sense. This naturally comes from operating a vehicle that speed measurement instruments do not tell you how fast you’re going and altitude measuring instruments do not tell you how high the plane is flying! Very little about an airplane operates as it seems too.

IMHO there is also quite a bit about flying that your natural reactions will get you killed that it just becomes easier to simply tell the student pilot, "This is how it works in the air and don't worry about why or what is really going on". Otherwise the FAA would require 4 years of Ground Instruction.

All the best,

Crumpp

FLYBOYJ · 08-12-2007, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Crumpp

IMHO there is also quite a bit about flying that your natural reactions will get you killed that it just becomes easier to simply tell the student pilot, "This is how it works in the air and don't worry about why or what is really going on". Otherwise the FAA would require 4 years of Ground Instruction.

All the best,

Crumpp

Well said - It's funny, I did a flight review this morning for a guy who mainly flew low wing aircraft. After he got the feel for proper C-172 approach speeds (so he isn't floating down the runway all day) I told him "See the bottom of the green on the airspeed indicator? Unless your wheels are on the ground, keep the needle above that!"

BTW nice airplane, don't know how you'll do as a tow plane but if you're at sea level all should be fine....

Crumpp · 08-12-2007, 03:03 PM

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BTW nice airplane, don't know how you'll do as a tow plane but if you're at sea level all should be fine....

Thanks! They are pretty popular tugs in Europe with a few here in the states. The tow hook is a factory option for the design.

All the best,

Crumpp

FLYBOYJ · 08-12-2007, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Crumpp

Thanks! They are pretty popular tugs in Europe with a few here in the states. The tow hook is a factory option for the design.

All the best,

Crumpp

At the academy we use a Toast hook and 180 hp Supercubs. Our TPA is 7000' MSL so we need a lot of pull to be able to tow and it seems the Supercub woks best.

Glider · 08-12-2007, 04:46 PM

The one that I have the most experience of is a Piper Pawnee but the most interesting, was a one off Chipmunk.
It was a one off, because it was used to teach Prince Charles to fly in. As Prince Charles was going to use it, a number of small modifications were made to it, enough changes so that once he had learnt to fly, the RAF didn't want it any more.
At RNAS Culdrose we were looking for a tug and got it cheap.

Crumpp · 08-12-2007, 08:13 PM

That's a good story, glider.

flyboyJ,

My aircraft feeds off Supercubs and Cessna's.....It has a filler port for the parts.

Here it is all dressed up to bag a limit of 172's:

FLYBOYJ · 08-12-2007, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Crumpp

That's a good story, glider.

flyboyJ,

My aircraft feeds off Supercubs and Cessna's.....It has a filler port for the parts.

Here it is all dressed up to bag a limit of 172's:

Hehehe - that's funny...

Can it do it at 6000' MSL???

Crumpp · 08-12-2007, 11:31 PM

I don't see why not!

That is an actual picture of the Military version. New Zealand and El Salvador use it in the ground attack role.

It can lift some weight as a design.

All the best,

Crumpp

FLYBOYJ · 08-13-2007, 10:03 AM

Our Cubs are in the air within 200'. We actually looked at Socatas during a study and found they might of been powerful enough for towing here but would present some other problems. Nice plane though....